turn to what could be next week's preoccupation.

Iran, large number of American ships heading toward the Gulf, you have all different signals coming out from the White House at various points, but the Israelis now, according to their reporting are believing that Trump is getting ready to do a massive strike on Iran.

Do you have any sense of that, Steve?

I mean, why he would do it now?

Yeah, I think certainly looking at um the preparations you're describing, leads one to conclude that that's that he at least wants that as a live option.

Look at depending on who you talk to, if you talk to some military officials, they will tell you that we weren't in a position to have done this weeks ago in part because of what we were doing in Venezuela, but we were otherwise committed.

And in order to do the kinds of things that he wants to do.

And remember, Donald Trump cares as much about anything as looking tough, looking, going big, looking rough, showing strength, um, we will soon be in a position to do that, Edre, help us understand something that Trump is more a man of impulses than ideologies.

A lot of people around him.

try to create ideologies out of these impulses, but what do you think that actually his inclinations are of essentially a 19th century imperialist.

Um, I, you know, that he wants territorial expansion, he wants tariffs.

He looks a lot like a McKinley sort of president, but this is the opposite of what people have tried to come up with ideas, ideologies of what America first actually means in the first administration, it was something that was a lot more isolationist, and what we see now is that, you know, people like JD Vance who were really steeped in the kind of ideology propelling Trumpism, you know, they said we don't want forever wars.

There's no reason to get entangled in in these kinds of disputes.

They're now having to defend the president as he does regime change in Venezuela as he strikes Iran, maybe for the 2nd time, um, you know, it's tough for them, you know, it's very much, it's like the Rubio foreign policies is advanced one, Peter, 10 seconds.

If he had gotten the Nobel Peace Prize, would we be involved in all of this he did give it to her.

Maria Machado gave it.

He got it from the people who made it.

Well, he made the point that that was somehow enough for him to stop being concerned about peace.

He said that himself, and so we take him at his word.

Well, we're gonna have to leave it there, but not for the last time we'll be talking about this.

I want to thank our guests for joining me and