WELCOME TO "KENTUCKY TONIGHT."

I'M RENEE SHAW.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

ON THIS FIRST DAY OF AUGUST, MANY KENTUCKIANS ARE LOOKING AHEAD WITH THE START OF SCHOOL.

TODAY ALSO MARKS THE DAY THAT ALL SCHOOL CAMPUSES ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE A SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER.

THE KENTUCKY GENERAL ASSEMBLY PASSED HOUSE BILL 63 REQUIRING IT, BUT LAWMAKERS DIDN'T ALLOCATE MONEY TO PAY FOR IT.

OUR SCHOOL ARE SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICERS THE ANSWER AND WHAT ELSE CAN THE FEDERAL AND STATE GOVERNMENT DO TO MAKE SCHOOLS SAFER?

IT'S A QUESTION PEOPLE ARE ASKING ESPECIALLY AFTER THE UVALDEEL TEXAS SCHOOL SHOOTING.

WE HAVE GUESTS IN OUR LEXINGTON STUDIO TONIGHT, COMMISSIONER JASON GLASS OF THE KENTUCKY DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION.

CHIEF MARTIN SCHAFER OF FAYETTE COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS DEPARTMENT.

de DEDEEH NEWBERN IF A 83 COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS.

CHRIS BARRIER, CHIEF OF POLICE OF THEMOMETER COUNTY SCHOOL DISTRICT AND PAST PRESIDENT OF THE KENTUCKY ASSOCIATION OF SCHOOL RESOURCE ERRORS OFFICERS.

STATE REPRESENTATIVE ATTICA SCOTT A DEMOCRAT FROM LOUISVILLE.

AND STATE SENATOR MIKE WILSON, A REPUBLICAN FROM BOWLING GREEN AND SENATE MAJORITY whip.

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IN ONE STUDIO, THIS IS UNPRECEDENTED, AT LEAST NOT SINCE 2019, 2020 SO IT'S GOOD TO HAVE EVERYONE HERE.

I DO WANT TO TALK FIRST ABOUT THE DEADLINE THAT WAS TODAY, COMMISSIONER GLASS, AND I DO BELIEVE THAT MR.

BARRIER, YOU CAN ANSWER THIS AS WELL.

THE DEADLINE TO HAVE SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICERS ON EVERY SCHOOL CAMPUS WAS TODAY.

WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT HOW THAT'S BEING ACHIEVED?

>> WELL, THE LEGISLATURE PASSED A LAW THIS PAST LEGISLATIVE SESSION THAT REQUIRES EVERY CAMPUS, NOT EVERY SCHOOL, SO SOMETIMES YOU HAVE MULTIPLE SCHOOLS ON ONE CAMPUS, TO HAVE A SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER.

WHILE THE LEGISLATURE PASSED THAT, THEY DIDN'T INCLUDE THE FUNDING TO GO ALONG WITH IT, SO THAT CREATES A TOUGH QUESTION AT EVERY SCHOOL DISTRICT IN THE STATE, IS WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO WITHOUT IN ORDER TO HAVE THAT?

SO SCHOOL DISTRICTS ARE HAVING TO THINK ABOUT DO I DO WITHOUT A COUNSELOR OR A TEACHER.

DO I INCREASE CLASS SIZES?

DO I DO WITHOUT CERTAIN SUPPORTS?

A LOT OF OUR SCHOOLS ALREADY HAVE SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICERS, THEY'VE ALREADY MADE THAT INVESTMENT OR DONE IN IT PARTNERSHIP WITH THE LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES SO THOSE ARE GOOD STEPS, BUT THOSE THAT DON'T, THEY FACE A REAL HARDSHIP IN TRYING TO THINK ABOUT HOW THEY PUT THAT IN PLACE.

THE LEGISLATURE DID CREATE A SORT OF WAIVER OUT OF THAT, AND THAT'S TO REACH OUT TO THE SCHOOL, STATE SCHOOL SAFETY MARSHAL IN WILCOX AND QUESTIONS A WAIVER FROM HIM ON THAT, AND SO I KNOW MARSHAL WILCOX HAS BEEN THINKING ABOUT HOW HE WILL DETERMINE HOW IF A SCHOOL DOES NOT HAVE THOSE RESOURCES TO ALLOW A SRO TO BE ON STAFF.

>> I DO WANT TO READ A STATEMENT FROM HIM.

THE KENTUCKY SCHOOL MARSHAL DID NOT BE WITH US NOR DO JOHN ACHE ERRS WHO P. BUT BEN WILCOX SENT THUS STATEMENT.

"TO OUR SCHOOLCHILDREN WITH PARENTS, STAFF AND MEMBERS, KENTUCKY SCHOOLS ARE SAFE.

HOUSE BILL 63AN ADD LAYER PROTECTION BY HIRING REQUIRING ALL SCHOOL TO ASSIGN A CERTIFIED SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICERS BY AUGUST 1st AS PERSONNEL AND FUNDING ALLOWS.

AN SR.O PLACES A FRUSTRATED LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS ON-SITE WHO IS TRAINED TO RESPOND IN TIMES OF NEED, MENTOR OUR CHURN BE BE AWARE OF CRITICAL NEED.

THE OFFICE OF THE STATE SECURITY MAR HALL IS REVIEWING PLANS AND COLLECTING DATA FROM THE 173 KENTUCKY SCHOOL DISTRICTS AND WILL WORK WITH EACH SCHOOL DISTRICT TO ENHANCE SCHOOL SAFETY AND ENSURE A SAFE ENVIRONMENT.

IO HE SAID THEY ARE READY TO HIRE ALL NEWLY TRAINED RESOURCE OFFICERS.

I WANT TO GO TO YOU, SENATOR WILSON.

THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE FROM BOWLING GREEN.

I THINK YOU GET THE AWARD FOR THE LONGEST SCANS TRAVELED PERHAPS.

>> ALL RIGHT.

>> I DO WANT TO ASK YOU BECAUSE WERE YOU INVOLVED THE IN ORIGINAL LEGISLATION IN 2019 AND HAVE BEEN A PART OF THIS DISCUSSION FOR MANY YEARS ABOUT SCHOOL SAFETY.

HOW SAFE ARE KENTUCKY SCHOOLS?

AND ARE WE TAKING TOO NARROW OF A APPROACH WHEN IT COMES TO MAKING SURE THAT OUR STAFF, STUDENTS, TEACHERS ARE SAFE?

>> YOU KNOW, RENEE, I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS FOR A LONG TIME, EVER SINCE SANDY HOOK SHOOTING, AND 2013 I ACTUALLY WAS CHAIRMAN OF THE EDUCATION COMMITTEE, AND WE PASSED SENATE BILL 8 WHICH WAS A PRIORITY LEGISLATION FOR US.

AND I WORK CLOSELY WITH JOHN AKEERS, THE CENTER OF SCHOOL SAFETY, AND THEN IN 2001 -- NO-NO, EXCUSE ME.

2001.

WE DID SENATE BILL IN 2019 AND THAT WAS AFTER THE MARSHALL COUNTY SHOOTING, AND THAT WAS THE SCHOOL SAFETY AND RESILIENCE ACT, AND SO THAT RIGHT THERE I THINK IS PROBABLY THE BEST PIECE OF LEGISLATION THAT WE HAVE GOTTEN.

AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT WAS ON US PILL 63, THIS LAST SESSION NOR THE SROs MAKING SURE THE DEADLINE WAS ENFORCED AND THAT IT WAS REQUIRED.

BEFORE THAT, IT WAS, YOU KNOW, NOT NECESSARILY REQUIRED, BUT RECOMMENDED, AND ALSO WITH SENATE BILL 1, THEY DID A COUNSELOR PER 250 STUDENTS PER SCHOOL HAD TO BE PART OF THAT IS TOO AS WELL.

>> WE KNOW THAT'S BEEN A STRUGGLE TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

I DO WANT TO ASK ABOUT THE FUNDING FOR THE SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICERS BUT THE KENTUCKY GENERAL ASSEMBLY DIDN'T OFFER THAT MONEY, CORRECT?

IT'S UP TO THE DISTRICTS TO FIND THE MONEY TO GET THAT.

>> WELL, WE DID APPROPRIATE $13 MILLION TO SCHOOL SAFETY.

WE ALSO APPROPRIATED 575 ADDITIONAL MILLION DOLLARS TO THE SCHOOLS IN TOTAL THIS YEAR, SO IT WAS RECORD FUNDING TO THE SCHOOL SYSTEMS.

ALSO IN CARES FUNDING AND EVERYTHING ELSE, I THINK ALL TOTAL KENTUCKY GOT SOMEWHERE IN $2 BILLION, SO WE DO KNOW COMPATIBLE HOW THAT WAS SPENT.

>> THAT'S UP TO THE DISTRICTS TO DECIDE HOW TO SPEND.

>> YES.

>> AND ANY OF THEM COULD HAVE CHOSEN TO USE IT FOR RAISES AND OTHER THINGS SO SROs MAY NOT HAVE BEEN A PRIORITY.

>> RIGHT.

>> I DO WANT TO GO TO YOU, REPRESENTATIVE SCOTT, BECAUSE OF SPOKEN OUT ABOUT THIS ISSUE QUITE FREQUENTLY ON THE KENTUCKY HOUSE FLOOR.

YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT HOUSE BILL 63 THAT NOW SCHOOLS ARE SUPPOSED TO COMPLY WITH BEGINNING TODAY.

>> THANK YOU, RENEE, AND I DO WANT TO START BY SENDING LOVE TO OUR SIBLINGS IN EASTERN KENTUCKY.

I THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO LIFT UP AS THOSE SCHOOLS ARE DEALING WITH LOSS AND QUESTIONING THE READY AS WELL.

DID I VOTE AGAINST HOUSE BILL BECAUSE OUR PARENTS AND SCHOOL STAFF AND STUDENTS TOLD US, PLEASE VOTE NO AGAINST THIS BILL.

WE DON'T NEED MORE POLICE OFFICERS IN OUR SCHOOLS, OUR COMMUNITIES AND SCHOOLS NEED OTHER RESOURCES LIKE CONFLICT RESOLUTION, LIKE RESORETIVE JUSTICE, AND SO I ALSO HAVE BEEN IN OPPOSITION TO THE MEASURE HB63 THIS YEAR FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS, AND ONE OF THOSE IS BECAUSE YOU MENTIONED WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN AT THE FEDERAL AND STATE LEVEL.

AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL WE NEED TO BAN ASSAULT WEAPONS.

AT THE STATE LEVEL WE NEED TO ALLOW PLACES LIKE LEXINGTON, LOUISVILLE MERGE GOVERNMENT TO HAVE STRICTER GUN STATE OF LEGISLATION THAN WE HAVE AT THE SAY THE LEVEL AND WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT YET, SO THERE'S WORTH WE NEED TO DO THAT'S BOTH COMMUNITY AND CAMPUS THAT WE'RE NOT DOING.

>> SO I WANT TO GO TO YOU NOW, MR.

BARRIER, THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH US TO TALK ABOUT THE WORK OF SROs.

SO DEFINE FOR FOLKS WHO HEAR THAT TERM ALL THE TIME BUT NOT QUITE SURE WHAT ARE THE FUNCTIONS AN SRO?

HOW MUCH TRAINING DO THEY HAVE TO HAVE?

AND WHAT IS THE RELATIONSHIP LIKE WITH THE STUDENT POPULATION?

>> SO I WILL TELL YOU THAT WITH THE SCHOOL SAFETY AND RESILIENCE ACT, REQUIRING SROs IN THE STATE OF KENTUCKY TO HAVE 120 HOURS OF TRAINING OVER THREE YEARS MAKES SROs IN KENTUCKY AMONG THE MOST TRAINED IN THE COUNTRY.

I WILL TELL YOU THAT AS WELL AS BEING SOME OF THE MOST TRAINED SROs IN THE COUNTRY, THEY'RE ALSO SOME OF THE MOST COMMITTED PEOPLE IN THE COUNTRY.

THE TRAGEDY THAT YOU SAW HAPPEN IN UVALDE, I CAN SAY WITH CONFIDENCE THAT THE LEVEL OF TRAINING AND COMPETENCE THAT SROs BRING TO THE STATE OF KENTUCKY, THAT WE WON'T HAVE THAT SAME KIND OF PROBLEM HERE.

I THINK THERE'S JUST SUCH A LEVEL OF COMMITMENT THAT KENTUCKIANS CAN BE PROUD AND AND YOU MENTIONED SAFE SCHOOLS.

I CAN TELL YOU THIS.

SCHOOLS ARE SAFER TODAY THAN THEY WERE IN 2018 BECAUSE OF THE SCHOOL SAFETY AND RESILIENCE ACT BECAUSE OF HOUSE BILL 63.

WE'RE WELL ON OUR WAY TO THIS -- THIS PIECE OF HAVING SROs IN SCHOOLS AND WE'RE AT A PLACE NOW OF EQUIPMENT COMMITMENT OVER OUR COMPLIANCE.

THE SCHOOL SAFETY AND RESILIENCE ACT SPEAKS SO MUCH ABOUT COMPLIANCE, BUT I CAN TELL YOU NOW THAT SCHOOL DISTRICTS ACROSS THE COUNTRY, I'LL GIVE AUN EXAMPLE, I JUST SPOKE WITH THE SUPERINTENDENT OF PIKEVILLE INDEPENDENT SCHOOLS AND THEY'RE STARTING THEIR OWN POLICE DEPARTMENT BECAUSE THEY'RE MAKING THIS COMMITMENT TO THEIR STUDENTS AND THEIR STAFF AND THEIR COMMUNITIES.

THE THINGS THAT SROs DO IN SCHOOLS, THEY'RE SO GOOD ABOUT RELATIONSHIP BUILDING AND BUILDING LONG-TERM MEANINGFUL RELATIONSHIPS WITH KIDS AND STAFF AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS.

THEY'RE THEY'RE SO MUCH MORE THAN LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS IN THEIR SCHOOLS AND IN THEIR COMMUNITIES.

>> SO THE QUESTION ABOUT IN DIVERSE POPULATIONS LIKE JEFFERSON ONTARIO FAYETTE COUNTY, 3 REQUIREMENTS FOR.

>>> CAN COMPETENCY AND RESPONSIVENESS SO THEY CAN ENGAGE WITH STUDENTS WHO ARE NOT I CAN LOO EM?

AND I'LL GO TO YOU, CHIEF, ABOUT THAT, SO YOU CAN SPEAK ABOUT THE FAYETTE COUNTY EXPERIENCE BECAUSE THERE IS A POLICE DEPARTMENT INSIDE THE I FAYETTE COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME ON.

IT CERTAINLY A BIG PART OF THAT.

THE CULTURAL COMPETENCY IS SOMETHING WE TRAIN ON.

IN FACT, THE NEXT TWO DAYS FOR MY DEPARTMENT WE GO THROUGH SEVERAL VERSIONS OF THIS AND SOMETHING WE DO A COUPLE TIMES A YEAR, SO WE CAN BE IN TUNE AND BE AWARE AND BE IN LINE WITH WHO WE SERVE.

AND OUR DEPARTMENT ALSO MIRRORS OUR COMMUNITY AS FAR AS DIVERSITY AND EQUITY, INCONCLUSION AND BELONGING, SO WE CAN FIT THAT INTO OUR ROLE, AS CHRIS SAID 1S AN SO E.RO SO WE CAN BETTER SERVE THOSE PREWE PROTECT AND OUR COMMUNITIES AND CAMPUSES.

>> HAVE THERE BEEN ANY ISSUES ABOUT RACIAL DISPARITIES WITH STUDENTS IN THE FAYETTE COUNTY SCHOOL SYSTEM WHEN IT COMES TO THEIR INTERACTIONS WITH SROs?

>> SO WE ALWAYS ENCOURAGE THOSE CONVERSATIONS.

IF ANYBODY THAT IS QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS, WE HAVE BUILT MOTIVE RELATIONSHIPS WITH OUR STUDENTS AND OUR COMMUNITY, AND SO THOSE THINGS ARE BROUGHT UP TO US.

IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE SHY AWAY FROM OR THAT WE AVOID.

BUT WE'VE HAD GRAY "GREAT CONVERSATIONS" IN OUR SCHOOLS WITH STUDENTS AND STAFF AND PARENTS, AND EITHER ONE-ON-ONE IN HALLWAY OR BEING INVITED INTO A CLASSROOM TO TALK ABOUT THESE THINGS.

AND SO IT REALLY KIND OF OPENS THAT DOOR FOR TRANSPARENCY AND HONESTY AND STRAIGHTFORWARD POLICING.

AND REALIZING THAT WE ALL HAVE THINGS TO LEARN, AND WE'VE ENJOYED GETTING TO KNOW OUR STUDENTS, AND I THINK IN A LOT OF CASES THEY'VE ENJOYED GETTING TO KNOW US, AND AS WE'VE IMPLEMENTED POLICE OFFICERS IN ELEMENTARY LEVEL -- WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION BEFORE WE STARTED -- IS THAT THESE RELATIONSHIPS GROW FROM THE KINDERGARTEN, FIRST GRADE, PRIMARY, AND THEN THEY KNOW US INTO MIDDLE AND HIGH, AND SO THEY KNOW THAT THEY CAN COME BACK TO THEIR SRO, HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS, AND, YOU KNOW, WE MAY HAVE HAD THEIR OLDER BROTHER OR SISTER, AND SO THERE'S THAT CREDIBILITY PEASE, OFFICER, SO-AND-SO, THIS GUY OR GALLON IS SOMEONE THEY CAN TALK TO, AND THEY CAN HAVE THOSE HARD CONVERSATIONS AND ENCOURAGE THOSE THINGS TO TAKE PLACE.

>> I DO WANT TO ASK YOU IS THE LEXINGTON HERALD-LEADER HAD A PIECE LAST YEAR THAT REFERRED TO THE 2020 SCHOOL YEAR, 80% OF SPFS STUDENTS REATH AND 92ERS WITH SPCS STUDENTS WERE CHARGES WERE BLACK STUDENTS WHILE THEY ONLY MADE UP 23% OF THE STUDENT BODY.

WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THOSE NUMBERS PEOPLE WILL SAY III RACIAL DISPARITIES THERE.

WHEN YOU LOOK A THOSE NUMBERS, HOW DO YOU CONTEXTUALIZE THEIR MEANINGS AND DOES IT REFLECT AN IMBALANCE IN THE RELATIONSHIPS?

>> THIS IS SOMETHING WE WANT TO GET BETTER AND WE ALWAYS WANT TO BE CONSCIOUS OF THESE NUMBERS, ANDY WE OPERATE IN THAT MOLD.

AND WHEN I TALKED ABOUT THESE DAYS OF TRAINING THAT WE HAVE COMING UP AND THAT WE HAVE THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, IT'S ALWAYS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ALWAYS COULDN'T TO BE AWARE OF, TO, LIKE I SAID, BE IN TUNE WITH OUR STUDENTS AND OUR COMMUNITY, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE TAKE AS THEY'RE PART OF US, THIS COMMUNITY.

WEIGH ALL A WHOLE AND WE'VE BEEN SUPPORTED BY THIS COMMUNITY, AND SO WE TAKE THAT APPROACH AS WE POLICE.

>> SO I DO WANT TO ASK DEDEEH NEWBERN ABOUT YOUR ROLE.

TELL US ABOUT YOUR ROLE AND HOW YOU WORK WITH CHIEFS.

>> A CHIEF BE OF STUDENT SUPPORT SERVICES, WE REALLY WORK WITHIN THE REALM OF COUNSELORS, SOCIAL WORKERS, MENTAL HEALTH SPECIALISTS, SO WE WORK ON THE BEHAVIOR SIDE OF THE SCHOOL DISTRICT BUT UNDERSTANDING HOW THAT WORKS IN CONJUNCTION AND COLLABORATION WITH SCHOOL POLICE.

ONE OF THE VERY MOST PROUDEST THINGS THAT I DO AS I SERVE IS WORK DIRECTLY WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT ON THEIR TRAINING TO UNDERSTAND HOW TO, INC. PRATE MENTAL HEALTH INTO SERVICES AND SUPPORTS THAT'S PROVIDE.

ONE THING THAT WE HAVE BEEN REALLY BIG ON IN LEXINGTON IS COMMUNITY POLICING, AND UNDERSTANDING WHAT IT MAN'S TO BUILD RELATIONSHIPS WITH STUDENTS RIGHT FROM THE START KINDERGARTEN THROUGH THE SENIOR YEAR, WITH OUR SROs BUT ALSO WITH OUR MENTAL HEALTH SPECIALISTS SO THEY SEE THEM AS A PARTNERSHIP.

SO WHEN YOU'RE IN TROUBLE YOU HAVE A SAFE SPACE TO GO TO THAT WILL PROTECT YOU, NURTURE YOU AND HELP YOU ON GET THROUGH WHATEVER THAT ISSUE IS IN THAT MOMENT.

>> CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE STATISTICS THAT I JUST RECITED JUST A MOMENT AGO?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE IS THOSE TYPES STATISTICS IN THE CONVERSATION IS WE TALK ABOUT IT, AND FOR FAYETTE COUNTY THAT WAS THE FIRST START, SO ONCE CHAFFEE SCHAFER AND I TARGETED TO PARTNER AND WE WERE READY TO HAVE THE CONVERSATIONS, WE WERE ABLE TO LOOK FORWARD AT OUR PROFESSIONAL LEARNING YARNS NOT JUST FOR OUR TEACHES BUT FOR OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT AS WELL BECAUSE THOSE OF THE TYPES OF STATISTICS THAT WE ARE COMBATING IN DISCIPLINE DATA AS WELL, SO IT IS SOMETHING THAT ALL OF THE SCHOOL SYSTEMS NATIONALLY ARE WORKING TOWARDS MAKING STRIDES IN THAT DISPROPORTIONATE NUMBER.

I THINK AS WE TALKING ABOUT PLINGS AND COMMUNITY POLICING, IT ALWAYS GOES BACK TO THAT LINE THAT WE TALK ABOUT SCHOOLS, THAT SCHOOL-TO-PRISON PIPELINE THAT WE TALK ABOUT, BUT WHEN WE BUILD THOSE PRESERVE RELATIONSHIPS WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT, WE ARE NOT JUST PUMPING OUT STUDENTS WHO HAVE A BETTER VIEW OF LAW ENFORCEMENT.

WE'RE PUMPING OUT LAW ENFORCEMENT WHO THEN HAVE A BETTER VIEW OF THE STUDENTS THAT THEY WORK WITH, AND SO IT STARTS TO BE A PARTNERSHIP.

>> COMMISSIONER GLASS, I DO WANT TO ASK YOU IS THERE AN IMBALANCE WHERE THERE'S MORE COPS THAN COUNSELOR APPROACH?

DO YOU THINK THERE'S AN INVERTED APPROACH HERE WHERE WE SHOULD HAVE MORE COUNSELOR AND LESS COPS IN SCHOOLS?

>> I THINK BOTH ARE NECESSARY AND VERY IMPORTANT.

THEY SERVE DIFFERENT ROLES, AND I THINK A WELL-TRAINED, SUPPORTIVE SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER CAN BE INCREDIBLY EFFECTIVE IN A SCHOOL, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S COSTING THE STATE OF KENTUCKY -- WE HAVE ROUGHLY 1400 SCHOOLS, IF THE LAW SAYS ONE OVER CAMPUS, SO THAT'S MAYBE 1,000 CAMPUSES.

BACK OF NAPKIN MATH THAT'S GOING TO COST THE STATE OF KENTUCKY ROUGH HIS $100 MILLION A YEAR TO HAVE SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICERS IN OUR SCHOOLS.

THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT.

THEY NEED SIGNIFICANT TRAINING SO YOU'RE NOT TAKING SOMEONE IS W. JUST A COP MENTALITY AND PUTTING THEM IN A SCHOOL.

THAT'S A BAD SITUATION YOU.

NEED SOMEONE THAT'S THERE TO BUILD RELATIONSHIPS WITH STUDENTS AND ESTABLISH THOSE.

AND KENTUCKY HAS A GOOD SYSTEM OF TRAINING FOR THAT, BUT YOU HEARD THAT IT TAKES THREE YEARS TO GO THROUGH THAT TRAINING.

WE'RE TURNING OUT RUFFLE 30 OF ROUGHLY 30 OF THEM A YEAR.

ALSO ON THE FUNDING SIDE AND HAVING THE TRAINING AND AVAILABLE OFFICERS IN PLACE.

>> MR.

BARRIER, I DO WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT HOW -- WHY IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE SROs AS -- IS IT CONSIDERED A FIRST LINE OF DEFENSE?

AND ALSO THE QUESTION ABOUT STUDENT DISCIPLINARY ISSUES, SO HOW INVOLVED ARE SROs IN DEALING WITH JUST FISTICUFFS THAT MAY HAPPEN AND BREAK OUT AT A LOCKER?

YOU KNOW, WHEN DOES IT REQUIRE THE PRESENCE AND ITS INTERVENTION OF AN SRO?

>> SO IDEALLY IN A PERFECT WORLD, THE SROs ISN'T ENGAGED IN DAILY DISCIPLINARY ACTIVITIES IN A SCHOOL.

OKAY?

IT'S BEST THAT THEY DON'T INVOLVE THEMSELVES IN THAT PARTICULAR REALM.

I WILL TELL YOU THAT IN THAT WORLD YOU HOPE THAT AN SRO ISN'T INVOLVED UNTIL IT BECOMES A CRIMINAL MATTER, AND WE TALKED EARLIER BEFORE THE SESSION ABOUT MANY VERYIZATION, AND I THINK IT'S VICTIMIZATION, AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE SRO IS THERE TO REPRESENT THE VICTIM IN IN A LOT OF CASES AS WELL.

AND SO WE TRY TO -- WE TRY TO BE INVOLVED APPROPRIATELY IN DAY-TO-DAY ACTIVITIES IN SCHOOLS.

THE MAJORITIES OF OUR TIME, BETTER THAN 80% OF THE TIME THAT WE'RE THERE, WE'RE THERE NOT IN A LAW ENFORCEMENT ROLE.

WE'RE GOING TO BE AN INFORMAL COUNSELOR, WE'RE GOWN A MENTOR, WE'VE GOING TO BE RELATIONSHIP COUNSELORS.

WE'RE GOING TO BE COACHES, WE'RE GOING TO BE SO MANY OTHER THINGS TO STUDENTS AND THE PEOPLE THAT WE SERVICE.

VERY FEW TIMES ARE WE GOING TO SERVE IN THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT ROLE.

BUT WE'RE THERE IF NEEDED.

>> YOU MENTIONED EARLIER THAT -- I'M PARAPHRASING -- THAT THERE'S ENOUGH HARDENING OF THE KENTUCKY SCHOOLS WHERE UVALDE, TEXAS ISN'T SOMETHING NECESSARILY THAT KENTUCKY PARENTS SHOULD WORRY ABOUT.

>> SURE.

>> CAN YOU GIVES A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT.

>> YEAH, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SCHOOL SAFETY IN GENERAL, AND I'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME AND STUDY WITH THIS, IS THAT SCHOOL SAFETY IN GENERAL IS MADE UP OF THREE MAJOR COMPONENTS.

IT'S MADE UP OF PERSONAL, FRACTURE 6 POLICY, PROCEDURES AND P AND IT'S DIFFERENT FOR FAYETTE COUNTY IN THOSE THREE AREAS THAN IT MIGHT BE FOR MY AREA IN RURAL EASTERN KENTUCKY.

WE MIGHT NEED MORE FRACTURE AND POLICIES AND PROCEDURES IN PLACE.

THEY MIGHT NEED MORE PERSONNEL P AND SO SCHOOL SAFETY WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT LIKE THAT, IT'S GOING TO BE A COMPLEX FORMULA THAT MATCHES WHAT YOUR COMMUNITY NEEDS MIGHT BE.

AND SO THAT'S HOW WE LIKE TO LOOK AT SCHOOL SAFETY.

AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ACTIVE SHOOTERS AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, WE REALLY HAVE TO START LOOKING A CAUSATION FACTORS AND SOME OF THOSE OTHER THINGS, BUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE SCHOOL SAFETY IN GENERAL, THE HARDENING OF THE SCHOOL, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THOSE THREE CRITICAL AREAS THAT WE HAVE TO ADDRESS IN ORDER TO MAKE SCHOOLS SAFER.

AND I DON'T THINK YOU'LL HAVE ERROR A PLACE WHERE YOU TALK ABOUT EVERY SCHOOL IS SAFE, BECAUSE IT'S NOT.

WE'RE WORKING CONTINUALLY DAY TO DAY TO MAKE SCHOOLS SAFER ENVIRONMENTS TO LEARN.

>> SENATOR WILSON, I WANT COME TO YOU TO ASK ABOUT THAT BECAUSE IN EDUCATION WEEK WHEN TEACHERS AND ADMINISTRATORS WERE ASKED ABOUT, WELL, WHAT ARE THE KEYS TO SCHOOL SAFETY?

MANY OF THEM DIDN'T JUMP TO MORE LAW ENFORCEMENT PRESENCE IN SCHOOLS.

IT WAS, AS REPRESENTATIVE SCOTT SAID EARLIER, RED FLAG LAWS, MORE COUNSELORS, OTHER THE WAYS TO KIND OF STAVE OFF THE VIOLENCE THAT COULD HAPPEN IN A SCHOOL.

IS THE GENERAL SIMPLY KEEPING UP WITH THAT KIND OF THINKINGSOME.

>> CERTAINLY THOSE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSIONS IN REGARDS TO THOSE LAWS, THE RED FLAG LAWS AND DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT I HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT KENTUCKY IS LOOKED AT AS A NATIONAL MODEL FOR SCHOOL SAFETY.

I DON'T KNOW IF MANY PEOPLE KNOW THAT.

ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, THE HEAD OF OUR KENTUCKY CENTER FOR SCHOOL SAFETY, JOHN AKERS, IS CONSIDERED AN EXPERT THAT IS CALLED UPON BY MANY STATES.

THERE'S 15 STATES LOOKING TO KNOW WHAT WE HAVE DONE AT THIS POINT.

SO I THINK WHAT WE WERE DISCUSSING JUST NOW WAS A HARDENING OF TARGET, MAKING SURE ALL THE DOORS ARE LOCKED AND CLOSED, MAKING SURE YOU HAVE WHERE THEY HAVE TO BE BUZZED IN AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS, IS YOU HAVE TO GO FIRST THINGS FIRST AND THEN YOU CAN LOOK AT SOME OTHER THINGS TOO BECAUSE IF THEY CAN'T GET IN, IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU HAVE A RED FLAG LAW OR NOT.

>> SO I WA TO GO TO YOU, COMMISSIONER GLASS, ABOUT WHAT DO WE KNOW ABOUT SCHOOLS' COMPLIANCE WITH THOSE SECURITY MANDATES TO HAVE LOCKED DOORS AND THINGS THAT WE KNOW WERE MISSING IN THE UVALDE, TEXT.

>> ONE THE THINGS THAT SENATOR WILSON HAS SAID THAT KENTUCKY IS AHEAD OF THE CURVE ON IS REQUIRING SCHOOLS TO HAVE PLANS IN PLACE AND THEN HAVING SCHOOL SAFETY MARSHAL WILCOX HAS A CHECKLIST AND HE IS A TEAM GO AROUND AND VERIFY THAT SCHOOLS ARE PUTTING THROUGH IN MEASURES TO HARDEN THE SCHOOLS.

OUR SCHOOLS ARE GOING THROUGH THAT.

BUT IT'S A CONTINUOUS PROCESS.

YOU HAVE ALL SORTS OF VARIABLE WHEN IT CAPITOLS TO A SCHOOL.

YOU HAVE 15% ON AVERAGE NEW STAFF EVERY YEAR SO YOU HAVE TO CONTINUALLY RETRAIN PEOPLE ON THESE THINGS.

YOU HAVE SOME BUILDINGS WHERE AIR CONDITIONING ISN'T WORKING OR A BUILDING DOES HAVE ANY AND SO PEOPLE ARING PRO OPEN DOORS TO TRY AND GET SOME AIR AND SCHOOL COOL IT YOU OF OFF AND THAT CREATES A SAFETY PROBLEM.

YOU HAVE OTHER BUILDS THAT WERE DESIGNED BEFORE SCHOOL SHOOTINGS WERE A PART OF OUR WORLD AND SO THEY HAVE HUNDREDS OF EXTERIOR WINDOWS AND ACCESS POINT AND DOORS THAT LA'EL MAKE IT IMPOSSIBLE TO THINK ABOUT CREATING A SINGLE POINT OF ENTRY.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF COMPLEXITY FROM BUILDING TO BUILDING BE WITH COMMUNITY TO COMMUNITY ON HOW YOU WOULD GO ABOUT HARDENING THAT SCHOOL AND MAKING IT A MORE DIFFICULT FLIES ENTER.

>> REPRESENTATIVE SCOTT, I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT THE JEFFERSON COUNTY EXPERIENCE WHEN IT COMES TO SROs, AND WHAT HAVE YOU SEEN?

>> IT'S A HARD CONVERSATION BECAUSE THE STATISTICS YOU SHARED FROM FAYETTE COUNTY AREN'T TOO FAR REMOVED FROM JEFFERSON COUNTY.

WE HAVE INCIDENCES OF SROs BOOING IN SCHOOLS AND PUTTING THEIR KNEES ON KIDS' NECKS KIDS WANT TO BE ABLE TO GO TO SCHOOL AND THRIVE AND NOT BE AFRAID OF THE OFFICERS WHO ARE IN THE BUILDING.

AND JUST LIKE IN EASTERN KENTUCKY, OUR KIDS WANT LOVE AND SUPPORT AND WANT POLICIES AND PRACTICES AND PROCEDURES THAT FOCUS ON HOW DO YOU TEACH KIDS ABOUT CONFLICT RESOLUTION.

HOW DO YOU TEACH THEM TO ADDRESS THEIR ISSUES WITH ONE ANOTHER RATHER THAN RESORTING TO VIOLENCE, WHICH IF I'M HONEST WHEN I WAS IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOLKIDS FOUGHT.

THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S NEW.

YOU DIDN'T HAVE POLICE IN THERE TO PUT THEIR KNEES ON OUR NECKS.

WE HAD EACH OTHER TO FIGURE OUT HOW DO WE ADDRESS THE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE, SO WE WANT THAT IN JEFFERSON COUNTY AS WELL.

AGAIN, OUR PARENTS, OUR STUDENTS, OUR SCHOOL STAFF HAVE NOT ASKED FOR MORE OFFICERS.

THEY'VE ASKED FOR MORE SUPPORT FOR OUR KIDS AND FOR THE COMMUNITIES THAT OUR KIDS COME FROM.

>> I DO WANT TO ASK YOU, COMMISSIONER GLASS, WHAT DO EDUCATORS TELL YOU ABOUT THIS ISSUE, ABOUT MORE LAW ENFORCEMENT PRESENCE IN SCHOOLS?

ARE THEY SATISFIED WITH THAT?

DO THEY THINK THAT IS THE RIGHT WAY TO GO IN.

>> I THINK IT'S A MIXED SET OF OPINIONS ON THAT.

AND I THINK THAT REFLECTS THE COMPLEXITY OF THE QUESTION.

AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, I THINK EFFECTIVE, TRAINED SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER CAN BE A VALUE ADD TO A SCHOOL SYSTEM, BUT THERE ARE REAL CONCERNS ABOUT INCREASING THE POLICING THAT'S HAPPENING IN SCHOOLS, ESPECIALLY IF YOU HAVE AN OFFICER THAT DOESN'T HAVE THE RIGHT BACKGROUND, TEMPERAMENT, TRAINING TO DO THAT JOB.

IT IS A REAL CONCERN, THAT YOU EXACERBATE THAT SCHOOL-TO-PRISON PIPELINE BY HAVING LAW ENFORCEMENT THERE IN THE BUILDING.

AT THE SAME TIME THERE'S A SENSE OF INCREASED SECURITY THAT YOU HAVE MADE THE BUILDING A HARDER TARGET BECAUSE YOU HAVE SOMEONE THAT'S TRAINED -- A TRAINED OFFICER THAT'S THERE.

BUT THE RESEARCH ON SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICERS IN STOPPING SCHOOL SHOOTINGS IS DECIDEDLY MIXED.

WE HAVE SOME PLACES WHERE NEACE BEEN EFFECTIVE AND LOTS OF PLACES WHERE IT HASN'T SO THERE'S NO GUARANTEE.

I THINK A THOUGHTFUL EDUCATOR, THE ONES I TALKED TO HAVE MIXED FEELINGS ABOUT THIS.

>> A FEELING THAT IS NO MIXED IS VERY EDDIE CAMPBELL WHO IS PRESIDENT OF THE KENTUCKY EDUCATION ASSOCIATION.

HE SENT IN THIS STATEMENT THAT I WILL READ IN PART.

HE SAYS, "THERE'S NO DATA TO SHOW THE THAT PRESENCE OF AN ARMED SRO WILL STOP OR EVEN DETER A SCHOOL SHOOTER SO THAT'S NOT THE REASON TO HAVE THEM IN OUR SCHOOLS.

CERTAINLY A WELL OF HAD TRAINED SRO CAN BE A POSITIVE ROLE MODEL FOR STUDENTS ABOUT THE TRAINING NOR SROs SHOULD BE VERY DIFFERENT FOR TRAINING FOR TRADITIONAL LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS."

HE GOES ON TO SAY "DEA A BELIEVES THE DECISION SHOULD BE MADE LOCAL.

SROs CERTAINLY SHOULD NOT BE REQUIRED UNTIL THE STATE REQUIRES THE NECESSARY ADDITIONAL FUNDING.

EACH SCORED, COUNCIL.

AND LOCAL BOARD OF EDUCATION SHOULD BE FREE TO DECIDE WHETHER THE PRESENCE OF FULL-TIME APPROPRIATELY TRAINED ARMED SROs WILL BENEFIT STUDENTS AND ENHANCE SCHOOL SAFETY.

IF AN SRO IS PANTED WANT SCHOOL COUNCILS AND LOCAL BOARDS SHOULD NOT HAVE TO FUND THAT FUNCTION AT THE EXPENSE OTHER SERVICES."

SO I GO BACK TO YOU, SENATOR WILSON, I KNOW YOU KNOW MR. CAMPBELL'S CONCERNS ABOUT IT NOT EVEN BEING A LOCAL DECISION.

AND I KNOW OFTEN WE TALK ABOUT LOCAL CONTROL AND HOME RULE BUT THIS SEEMS TO BE USURPED WITH HOUSE BILL 63 THAT WAS PASSED BY STATE LAWMAKERS.

>> CERTAINLY IT WAS PASSED BY 77 ACTUALLY REPRESENTATIVES VOTED FOR IT WHO ARE REPRESENTATIVE FROM ALL OVER THE STATE WHO HAVE HEARD FROM THEIR PARENTS, THEIR TEACHERS AND THOSE PEOPLE THAT THEY REPRESENT THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THEY WANTED.

IT PASSED BY 26 VOTES IN THE SENATE.

SO FOR US WE FEEL LIKE THESE ARE BOTH SUPERMAJORITIES, THAT IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS WARRANTED, AND I HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT SENATOR STIVERS AND BOTH SPEAKER OSBORNE ARE COMMITTED THAT 2023 SCHOOL SAFETY WILL BE A PRIORITY AND THAT WILL INCLUDE, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S MORE COUNSELORS THAT ARE NEEDED, FUNDINGS, THOSE KIND OF ISSUES WILL ALL BE TAKEN UP AT THAT TIME.

>> THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY FOLLOW-UP QUESTION ABOUT WHAT DOES THAT MEAN, RIGHT?

AND SO THIS COMMENT FROM DAVID FROM HOPKINS COUNTY SAYS, "WHY DON'T WE USE ALL THE MONEY WE SAVED THIS PAST YEAR IN PRESENCE SEES, THE GOVERNOR HAS BEEN BRAGGING ABOUT ALL THE MONEY WE SAVED, TO PAY FOR ALL THE STUDENT RESOURCE OFFICERS -- HE MEANS SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICERS, NEEDED ACROSS THE STATE?"

GOOD IDEA OR BAD?

>> THAT FUNDING RIGHT THERE IS -- IT WOULD BE ONE-TIME MONEY.

IT'S NOT ONGOING EXPENDITURES.

AND SO YOU HAVE TO REALLY BALANCE THAT VIEWPOINT OUT.

IF WE PAID FOR THEM WITH THAT MONEY, IT WOULD BE ONE-TIME, AND IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THAT IT WOULD GO INTO NEXT YEAR.

THE BUDGET DOESN'T COME UP BUT EVERY TWO YEARS.

IN ORDER FOR US TO DO THAT, WE WILL HAVE TO OPEN THE BUDGET FOR FUNDING, AND SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS ALWAYS UNDER CONSIDERATION AND 2023 NOT BEING A BUDGET YEAR, IT WILL BE TAKEN UP AT THAT TIME.

>> AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE 60%, I GUESS.

>> 60% OF BOTH HOUSES.

>> AND ANOTHER COMMENT FROM CLARK COUNTY ASKS A SIMILAR QUESTION.

WHY HASN'T THE EXTRA MONEY FROM THE BUDGET SUR MUST BEEN USED THE FUND THE SROs ACROSS THE STATE.

I THINK YOU ANSWERED THAT.

I'LL LET THE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS GET IN.

CHIEF, YOUR THOUGHTS ON -- WELL, I WON'T ASK YOU ABOUT IT BEING A LOCAL DECISION OR NOT BUT I AM CURIOUS ABOUT WHEN WE HEAR THESE NUMBERS WHERE THERE MIGHT BE SOME IMBALANCE IN RACIAL DISPARITIES AND ARRESTS, HOW DO YOU INSTILL OR BUILD CONFIDENCE WITH NOT JUST THE KIDS BUT THE PARENTS THAT THEIR CHILD IS SAFER IN A SCHOOL WITH AN ARMED POLICE OFFICER THAN THEY ARE SOMEWHERE ELSE?

>> SURE, ABSOLUTELY.

AND IT'S ABOUT AN SAID ON HERE AND DEDEEH NEWBERN SAID IT VERY WELL, WE DON'T SHY AWAY FROM THESE CONVERSATIONS, AND THOSE CONVERSATIONS START WITH THE STUDENTS, THE FAMILY, THE COMMUNITY, SO WE HEAR THEIR NEEDS AND WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN THEIR COMMUNITY POLICING STYLE SCHOOL POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT WE HAVE HERE IN FAYETTE COUNTY, AND SO MANY TIMES THERE'S A BETTER UNDERSTANDING AFTER THESE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT WHAT -- WHAT CONCERNS THEY HAVE THAT WE MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN AWARE OF THAT WE CAN ADDRESS.

AND THEN -- EXIT GOES BOTH WAYS.

SO WE LEAVE OUT OF THESE CONVERSATIONS WITH A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF EACH OTHER, AND THAT REFLECTS ON OUR POLICING AND HOW WE DO THAT.

WE BUILD THESE POSITIVE RELATIONSHIPS, WHICH IS OUR NUMBER ONE TOOL TO KEEP OUR SCHOOLS SAFE, AND SO THOSE RELATIONSHIPS EXTEND FAR BEYOND OUR SCHOOLS AND THEY CAN BE GENERATIONAL.

AS THE COMMISSIONER MADE A GREAT POINT, WE'RE RELATIVELY NEW IN THIS PROCESS OF GETTING TRAINED, EQUIPPED SROs ACROSS THE STATE, AND SO I THINK WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY WILL IMPROVE SCHOOL YEAR TO SCHOOL YEAR UNTIL THIS LAW HAS GOTTEN INTO A PLACE WHERE IT'S COMPLETELY UNIFORMED ACROSS THE STATE, AND I COMMEND THE STATE LEGISLATORS FOR ENACTING THIS AND CONTINUE THE SUPPORT THEY HAVE, AND I REALLY WANT TO THANK OUR COMMUNITY HERE IN FROM A YET COUNTY FOR THEIR SPOTTER SINCE THEY HAVE DONE THAT SINCE 2018.

>> MR.

BARRIER, DOESMOMETER COUNTY HAVE ENOUGH SROs?

DO YOU MEET THE MANDATE?

>> WE'RE TWO SHY.

I SPOKE TO OUR SUPERINTENDENT ABOUT HAD RECENTLY AND HE UNDERS ALSO THE COMPLEXITIES OF FUNDING SOURCES AND HOUR WE GOING TO MEET THIS NEED.

DO EV WOO ENOUGH A TALENT POOL TO BE ABLE TO PULL SROs TO MEET COMPLIANCE.

WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE FUNDING FROM SOME SOURCES FROM THE STATE.

I THINK THAT THE TAXED ENOUGH IN THEIR MANDATES FOR THEIR EDUCATION.

IF THEY'RE GOING TO PROVIDE HIGH LEVELS OF EDUCATION FOR STUDENTS, THIS RIGHT HERE IS SOMETHING THAT IF THE STATE CAN APPLY FUNDS FROM THE STATE LEGISLATURE, THEN HOPEFULLY THAT BUMP WILL HELP US TO MEET COMPLIANCE.

AND THEN, MEET THAT HAPPY PLACE WHERE WE CAN ALL BE SAFE IN SCHOOLS.

>> SO ARE YOU HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH MR. WILL COCK.

YOUR TWO-PERSON DEFICIENCY WHEN IT COMES TO SROs?

ARE YOU SUBMITTED SOMETHINGSOME.

>> WE HAVE, AND WE SUBMITTED OUR INFORMATION TO THE STATE TODAY.

I CAN TELL YOU THAT STATEWIDE WE'RE GOING TO BE SOMEWHERE AROUND THE BALLPARK NEIGHBORHOOD OF 500 OFFICERS TO MEET THE NEED OF HOUSE BILL 63.

THAT SUMMER IS GOING TO FLUCTUATE BASED ON PEOPLE WHO ARE RETIRING, PEOPLE WHO HAVE COME ONBOARD BUT WE'RE GOING TO BE SOMEWHERE AROUND THAT BALLPARK OF 500 OFFICERS WHICH IS WHAT WE NEED TO REACH COMPLIANCE BC ACROSS THE STATE.

>> I BELIEVE DURING A RECENT LEGISLATIVE HEARING IN JULY THEY SAID THEY WERE 600 INVOLVEMENT SHORT.

>> AND I THINK THAT SPEAKS TO SOME OF THE COMMITMENT THAT SOME OF THESE SCHOOL DISTRICTS HAVE MADE ON THEIR OWN EVEN WITHOUT THE ADDITIONAL FUND PING SPOKE EARLIER ABOUT PIKEVILLE INDEPENDENT SCHOOLS WHO SAID I'M HIRING SROs AND WE'RE GOING TO DO IT OUT OF OUR GENERAL SUNDAY FUN, SO SOME OF THE DISTRICTS HAVE THE FUN AVAILABLE TO DO THAT.

SOME OF THEM ARE TAXED ENOUGH, AND I SPEAK SPECIFICALLY TO RURAL COMMUNITIES WHO MAY NOT HAVE THE AVAILABLE FUNDS TO DO THAT, AND I KNOW THAT THEY WANT TO REACH THAT.

HERE'S WHAT I KNOW ABOUT THE HUMAN CONDITION BE WITH RENEE.

OKAY?

I KNOW THAT KIDS DO THEIR BEST LEARNING WHEN THEY FEEL SAFE AND THEY FEEL POLICE-INVOLVED HAVING AN SROs IN THE BUILDING IS GOING TO HELP WITH THAT.

THEY'RE NOT GOING TO EVER LEARN ALGEBRA UNTIL THEY FEEL SAFE AND LOVED.

>> REAL QUICKLY, BACKGROUND HERE.

WHAT'S THE BACKGROUND OF AN SROs TYPICALLY?

ARE THEY RETIRED LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER OR WHAT'S THEY'RE BACKGROUND?

MILITARY?

>> I HIRED REASONABLE MY FORMER CHIEF.

I HIRED A STATE TROOPER WHO HAD BEEN A FIVE-YEAR TROOPER.

I HIRED ANOTHER GUY WHO WAS A RETIRED DETECTIVE.

I WAS MIDPOINT IN MY CLEAR WHEN I CAME INTO THE SCHOOLS.

BE THE IN NICOR P SO THERE'S A DIVERSITY IN SOMEBODY'S WILLING NOS.

TO COME TO WANT TO WORK IN THAT SCHOOL ENVIRONMENT.

>> AND THEN ACCOUNTABILITY.

LET'S SAY AN SROs HAS A PROVEN, DOCUMENTED TRACKrd RECORD OF NOT HAVING APPROPRIATE RELATIONSHIPS OR OVEREXCESSIVE, OVERPOLICING OF STUDENTS OR A PARTICULAR STUDENT.

ARE THEY HELD ACCOUNTABLE?

ARE THEY TAKEN OFF THE JOB?

WHAT'S THE ACCOUNTABILITY?

>> HERE'S WHAT I KNOW.

A PROPERLY TRAINED, CAREFULLY SELECTED SROs IS GOING TO BE YOUR BEST MODEL OF AN SRO IN A SCHOOL.

>> DO YOU BELIEVE THAT, REPRESENTATIVE SCOTT?

>> OH, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO HAVE ACCOUNTABILITY WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT.

THIS IS A PIECE OF LEGISLATION THAT I'VE WORK ON FOR YEARS.

THESE CONVERSATIONS ONES THAT WE HAVE TO CONTINUE TO HAVE AND WE HAVE TO BALK THE FACT THAT WITH HOUSE BILL 3, ONE OF THE REASONS THE MAJORITY OF LEGISLATORS IN JEFFERSON COUNTY VOTED AGAINST HOUSE BILL 63 IS BECAUSE WE KNEW THAT IT WAS IN RETALIATION TO JEFFERSON COUNTY WANTING TO CREATE ITS OWN SCHOOL SAFETY PLAN, BUT THIS I WAS WAY OF FORCING A SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER ON EVERY CAMPUS IN JEFFERSON COUNTY.

>> I WAP TO GO TO YOU, MS. NEWBERN.

HAVE AFTER YOU HAVE HEARD ALL THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT SOME TRUST ISSUES OR SOME CONCERNS THAT PEOPLE MAY HAVE, I MEAN WE LEAR FROM EDUCATORS, TOO, THAT THEY'RE WORRIED THERE'S A SLIPPERY SLOPE.

DOES THIS EVENTUALLY LEAD TO ARMED SCHOOL PERSONNEL, ET CETERA.

WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO THOSE CONCERNS ABOUT STICK TO THE SROs ROUTE AND YOUR KIDS WILL BE SAFE WHEN THEY'RE A SCHOOL?

>> I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT YOU HAVE THE CONVERSATION, AND I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO SET UP IS A TWO-WAY STREET OF COMMUNICATION WHERE WE HAVE A FEEDBACK LOOP THAT ALLOWS TO US JUST USE JUST LIKE WE WERE IN A CURRICULUM FOR EDUCATION WANT CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT MODEL WHERE WE LOOK AT THE DATA, JUSTS A POINTED OUT.

WE HAVE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT WHAT THAT MEANS INCLUDING FEEDBACK FROM OUR STAKEHOLDER.

THE BEST FEEDBACK WE CAN GET IS FROM THE KIDS WHO ARE EXPERIENCING SROs EVERY DAY.

WE HAVE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT LIVED EXPERIENCES.

MY EXPERIENCES WITH AN SRO ARE GOING TO DETERMINE HOW I FEEL ABOUT SROs BEING IN ALL SCHOOLS.

>> OR YOUR EXPERIENCE YOU EVER IN YOUR COMMUNITY OUTSIDE OF THE SCHOOL IS GOING TO DETERMINE HOW YOU PERCEIVE THEM INSIDE THE SCHOOLS.

>> EXACTLY.

TO CHIEF SCHAFER'S POINT,'S WE CONTINUE TO BUILD POSITIVE LIVED EXPERIENCES AMONG OUR SCHOOL COMMUNITY INVOLVING SROs, WE'LL CONTINUE TO SEE A POSITIVE TREND OF HOW PEOPLE FEEL WITH INVOLVEMENT.

>> WHAT DID KIDS SAY WILL HELP THEM FEEL SAFE?

DO THEY IMMEDIATELY SAY SROs IS THE ANSWER?

>> HONESTLY, IT'S THE MENTORSHIP THAT MAKES THEM FEEL SAFE, AND WE KNOW FROM RESEARCH THAT ONE CONNECTED ADULT WITH ONE AND I HAD IS WHAT MAKES THE DIFFERENCE IN THEIR ABILITY TO COMPLETE SCHOOL.

AND SO SOMETIMES THAT ONE ADULT IS THEIR SRO.

SO IT'S REALLY ABOUT WHAT YOU BUILD YOUR SRO PROGRAM TO BE.

IS IT ABOUT POLICING?

OR IS IT ABOUT MENTORSHIP AND COMMUNITY POLICING WHICH LOOKS A LOT DIFFERENT IF YOU ARE INTENTIONAL ABOUT HOW YOUR SROs BUILD THOSE RELATIONSHIPS WITHIN YOUR COMMUNITY.

>> COMMISSIONER GLASS, ARE YOU CONCERNED ABOUT OVERPOLICING IN KENTUCKY PUBLIC SCHOOLS?

>> SURE.

I THINK WE SHOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT INCREASING -- WHEN WE INCREASE THE NUMBER OF LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS IN OUR SCHOOLS, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE INTERACTIONS WITH STUDENTS AND LAW ENFORCEMENT WHICH LEADS TO THE HIGHER PROBABILITY THAT THOSE INTERACTIONS ARE NEGATIVE.

I THINK WE CAN COUNTERACT THAT SOME BY MAKING SURE THAT THE TRAINING AND SELECTION OF OUR SROs IS REALLY A QUALITY AND THAT THERE'S ACCOUNTABILITY FOR OUR SROs.

AGAIN, SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICERS ONE PART OF A REALLY COMPLEX TAPESTRY THAT MAKES UP SCHOOL SAFETY.

AND A TRAINED, WELL-SUPPORTED SRO WITH A BRIGHT MENTALITY AND APPROACH TO THE JOB CAN BE INCREDIBLE EFFECT OF BUT WE HAVE TO PUT IN PLACE INTENTIONAL STEPS TO MAKE SURE THAT HAPPENS.

>> SO WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME, THIS 35 MINUTES TALKING ABOUT SROs.

WHAT DO YOU THINK IS MISSING FROM THIS CONVERSATION THAT WE'RE NO HAVING IN KENTUCKY ABOUT SCHOOL SAFETY?

>> WELL, WE HAVE A GOOD FOUNDATION WITH SENATE BILL 8 AND SENATE BILL 1 FROM 2013 AND 2019 SO THESE THOSE ARE TWO GOOD STEPS.

WE HAVE OTHER STEPS THAT WE NEED TO TAKE.

ONE OF THOSE WOULD BE TO FULLY FUND THE SROs THAT ARE NOW REQUIRED IN THE STATE BECAUSE YOU HAVE AN INEQUITY IN THAT.

SOME COMMUNITIES ARE ARE PAYING ARE FORE THEY WILL SO THEY'RE ALREADY DEDICATE 10 RESOURCES.

ERRORS OTHERS ARE DECIDE BE WITH THAT THEY HAVE TO DO WITHOUT.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE S ROCHESTER AND PUT IT WAS MANNED DATE IN THE STATE, IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE A UNDUNNED FUNDED MANDATE.

ANOTHER STEP WE CAN TAKE IS LOOK A BULLYING PREVENTION.

87% OF SCHOOL SHOOTERS SAID THEY HAD SPENDER SIGNIFICANT BULLYING IN THEIR LIFE.

49% OF KIDS IN KENTUCKY SAY BULLYING IS A SIGNIFICANT PROBLEM IN THEIR SCHOOLS.

WE DON'T A COMPREHENSIVE EFFORT AROUND ANTI-BULLYING IN KENTUCKY AT THE LEVEL THAT WE NEED SO THAT WOULD BE A POSITIVE AND PROACTIVE STEP AS WELL.

WE TALK SOME ABOUT THE BUILDING AND HOW WE MIGHT CHANGE THE STRUCTURE OF THEM TO CREATE THOSE SINGLE POINT OF ENTRY SALLY PORTS.

GIVEN THAT WE'VE GOT BUILDING GOING BACK TO THE EARLY 19 HUNTS HERE WITNESS THERE'S A VARIETY OF DUSTIN STEPS THAT DIFFERENT THE COMMUNITIES HAVE TO TAKE TO SECURE THOSE BUILDINGS SO THOSE ARE EFFORT BERE STEPS WE COULD TAKE TO BETTER SECURE OUR SCHOOLS.

EVE A TIP LINE IN KENTUCKY THAT I THINK IS UNDERUPPED UTILIZED BUT IT'S AN INCREDIBLE RESOURCE IN OTHER STATES WHERE STUDENTS WITH PEOPLE IN COMMUNITIES CAN CALL IN AND SAY WE ARE SEEING THIS TROUBLING BEHAVIOR OR SOMEBODY SAID SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE INVESTIGATED AND NOLD UP ON.

OUR KIDS NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THAT.

THERE NEEDS TO BE BETTER RESOURCE AND SUPPORTED THAN IT IS RIGHT NOW.

SO THAT'S ANOTHER STEP.

IT'S ALSO BEEN MENTIONED THAT ALMOST ALL OF THESAL SCHOOL SHOOTINGS AND MASS MURDERS HAPPEN WHEN SOMEBODY IS USING A GUN, AND SO WHAT COMMON-SENSE GUN REGULATIONS CAN WE ALSO CONSIDER.

THERE'S FROM SUPPORTS IN PLACE NOW AROUND RED FLAG LAWS, AND SO WHEN SOMEONE EXHIBITS A TROUBLING BEHAVIOR, YOU INTERVENE.

STUDIES HAVE SAID THAT FOR EVERY 20 GUN REMOVALS THAT TAKE PLACE, A LIFE IS SAVED.

SO THATKIND EVIDENCE SHOULD MAKE US LOOK A SOME OF THOSE THINGS.

WE ALSO KNOW THAT MOST SCHOOL SHOOTERS HAVE SOME KIND CONNECTION TO THE SCHOOL AND A LOT OF THEM ARE YOUNG PEOPLE, AND SO COULD WE LOOK AT CHANGING MINIMUM AGES OR BACKGROUND CHECKS AROUND GUN PURCHASERS BETWEEN 18 AND 21 BEFORE ALL OF THESE STEPS NEED TO BE CONSIDERED IF WE REALLY WOULDN'T HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE LOOK AT SAFETYION SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICERS.

>> SENATOR WILSON, YOU KNOW THERE WITH A LEGISLATION FOR A BILL THAT WAS REFERRED TO AS CRISIS ASPERSION AND RISK REDUCTION, I BELIEVE.

I MIGHT HAVE MISSED THE EXACT TERMINOLOGY.

BUT IT'S ESSENTIALLY A RED FLAG LAW.

>> IT'S ESSENTIALLY A RED FLAG LAW.

>> AND IS A BANS BACKED MEASURE BUT DID NOT GET TO THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY.

TO YOU DO YOU THINK CIRCUMSTANCES NOW ARE MORE RIPE FOR THAT TO BE CONSIDERED IN 2023?

>> YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE THAT THEY ARE, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT A LOT OF TIMES LEGISLATION TAKES SEVERAL TIMES TO GET THROUGH, SO I'M SURE THOSE THAT ARE -- WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT PASSED WOULD FILE THAT.

>> ARE YOU SUPPORTIVE OF THAT?

>> I AM NOT AT THIS POINT.

>> AND IT'S CRISIS ASSERTION RIGHTS RETENTION, SO IT'S TRYING TO GET TO THE THREAT WITHOUT ALSO MAKING SURE -- THERE'S DUE PROCESS FOR THOSE SO THAT THE GUNS AREN'T CONFISCATED FOR LIFE, ET CETERA.

WHAT'S WHY YOU QUALMS WITH THAT MEASURE?

>> WELL, FOR ME I REALLY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE DUE PROCESS ACTIONS ON THAT BILL, AND THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE SATISFIED FOR ME.

>> ANY OTHER KIND OF GUN CONTROL OR GUN SAFETY MEASURES WOULD YOU SUPPORT IF THEY WERE TO COME UP AND BE SPONSORED BY A MEMBER OF YOUR OWN CAUCUS OR ARE PARTY?

>> RIGHT NOW GUNS ARE NOT ALLOWED ON SCHOOL CAMPUSES BY LAW.

THEY'RE PROHIBITED.

SO I DON'T KNOW, AND YOU'RE HARDENING THE TARGETS, I DON'T KNOW ANY OTHER LAWS THAT WOULD WORK TO KEEP GUNS OUT OF SCHOOL.

>> SO.

EVERYTHING THAT HAS BEEN DONE OR CAN BE DONE HAS BEEN DONE.

>> WELL, YOU KNOW, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS I KNOW THAT THE COMMISSIONER TALKED ABOUT WAS BULLYING BECAUSE WE DO KNOW KID, A LOT OF CHILDREN ARE BULLIED, AND THOSE THAT HAVE COMMITTED THESE CRIMES, YOU KNOW, HAVE BEEN BULLY.

WE DID SOME ANTI-BULLYING LAWS.

IN FACT, WE HAD A TASK FORCE UNDER STEVE BESHEAR IN REGARD TO THAT THAT I SERVED ON, AND ULTIMATELY ENDED UP IN AM IS ON LEGISLATION.

THANK YOU THE FRONTLINE OF DEFENSE FOR THAT IS OUR TEACHERS AND IT'S OUR SROs WHO ARE IN THE SCHOOLS TO HELP COUNTER THAT WHEN THEY SEE THAT.

>> I DO WANT TO ASK YOU, CHIEF SCHAFER, ABOUT HOW DO YOU DEAL WITH THOSE -- THESE ARE KIDS ABOUT THE THERE ARE MAYBE A VICTIM OF BULLYING AND THEY MAY EXHIBIT BEHAVIOR THAT COULD INDICATE THAT THEY'RE WILLING TO HARM THEMSELVES OR SOMEONE ELSE.

HOW DO YOU INTERVENE?

WHEN THAT HAPPENS?

OR DO YOU INTERVENE WHEN THAT HAPPENS?

>> THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

SO A LOT OF THE TALK HERE RECENTLY HAS BEEN ABOUT THE SPECIFIC ACTIVE SHOOTER THREAT, BUT IN FAYETTE COUNTY AND I THINK ACROSS KENTUCKY THERE IS A LOT OF TRAINING AND AWARENESS ON THE PRECUSSORS FOR THESE BEHAVIORS, SO AS HAS BEEN SAID BY DEDEEH NEWBERN IS THEY HAVE A POSITIVE RELATION WITH SOMEONE THIS THAT BUILDING THAT THEY FEEL TRUSTED TO CONFIDE IN.

IN KENTUCKY WE HAVE AN ANONYMOUS TIP LINE IN LEXINGTON AND THROUGHOUT FAYETTE COUNTY, WHEN A STUDENT UTILIZES THIS TIP LINE, IT'S INVESTIGATED FULLY, SO IT'S GIVEN TO THE APPROPRIATE PEOPLE AND THE STUDENTS THAT REPORT THIS BEHAVIOR OR BEHAVIORS, THEY ARE AWARE.

THEY ARE MADE AWARE THAT THIS HAS ABOUT AN INVESTIGATED.

SO THEY HAVE THAT SAFETY NET THAT THEY CAN TELL SOMEONE.

SO WE DON'T -- WE A BETTER KENTUCKY TAKE A PROACTIVE STANCE THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO LET THIS BEHAVIOR DEVELOP.

WE WANT TO PROVIDE THE SUPPORTS AND RESOURCES FOR EVERY STUDENT, BUT PARTICULARLY ONES THAT HAVE HAD SIGNS OR EXPERIENCE BULLYING BECAUSE THERE'S NO PLACE FOR THAT IN OUR SCHOOLS.

>> I WANT TO GO BACK TO THIS QUESTION THAT CAME IN FROM DR. PAUL GERRARD FROM ELIZABETHTOWN.

HE SAYS, WHY HASN'T THE E. CAN STATE LEGISLATURE, REPUBLICANS OR DEMOCRATS, ADDRESSED ASSAULT STYLE WEAPONS AND HANDGUNS AND HOW THIS MIGHT MAKE SCHOOLS SAFER?

DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WOULD I CAN CARE TO ADD TO THAT QUESTION?

>> YOU KNOW, ASSAULT WEAPONS, THEY'RE REALLY NOT THE ASSAULT WEAPON THAT I USED WHEN I WAS IN THE MARINE CORPS.

THE ASSAULT WEAPON THAT I HAD WAS A FULLY AUTOMATIC RIFLE.

IT WAS AN M16 AT THAT TIME.

IT HAD A FULLY AUTO AND A SEMI-AUTOMATIC SELECT ARE SWITCH ON IT.

THE GUNS THAT ARE STYLED THAT WAY ARE SIMPLY SEMI-AUTOMATIC RIFLES WITH A STOCK ON IT LIKE AN M16, BUT IT IS NOT AN M16.

THE AR DOES NOT STAND FOR AR ASSAULT RIFLE, IT DOESN'T STAND FOR THAT.

>> PUT THE DAMAGE IT CAN RENDER IS JUST AS POTENT.

>> SAME AS A 30 OTT 6 THAT HAS AS MANY TIMES AS YOU CAN PULL THE TRIGGER.

>> REPRESENT SCOTT, WHAT DO YOU FEEL IS MISSING FROM THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT SCHOOL SAFETY AND EVEN COMMUNITY SAFETY?

>> SCHOOL AND COMMUNITY SAFETY WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ANGST TO GUNS, I KNOW FOR YEARS COLLEAGUES LIKE MY FORMER LEAGUE CHRIS HARRIS FILED LEGISLATION AROUND COMMON SENSE GUN SAFETY, AROUND MAKING SURE THAT PEOPLE PROPERLY STORE THEIR WEAPONS.

>> REPRESENT TIFF JIM WAYNE HAD SIMILAR RELATION WHEN HE WAS IN THE LEGISLATURE.

>> YES, AND I CAN MANNING SURE PEOPLE ACCURATELY STORE THEIR WEAPONS SO KIDS CAN'T GET TO THEM.

I KNOW WHEN APPLY FRIEND'S SON DIED BY SUE I'D IN 2017.

WE HAD LEGISLATION TO UNDERSTAND BULLYING ACROSS OUR SCHOOLS AND TO DO SOMETHING TO ADDRESS BULLYING.

THAT BILL DIDN'T GO ANYWHERE.

WE STILL HAVE SO MUCH WORK TO DO THAT THE LEGISLATURE HAS FAILED TO ADDRESS TIME AND TIME AGAIN THAT OUR KIDS ARE THE ONES WHO ARE SURVEYING SUFFER, OUR COMMUNITIES ARE SUFFERING AND WE HAVE TO DO BETTER.

>> I.

WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT THE IMPACT OF ACT OF SHOOTER DRILLS AND THE PERHAPS TRAUMA THAT CAN COME FROM EXECUTING THOSE ON THE SCHEDULE IN WHICH YOU DO.

WHAT DO YOU HEAR FROM TEACHERS AND FROM STUDENTS ABOUT THAT INTERFERENCE.

>> >> IT'S DEFINITELY TRAUMATIC FOR THE STUDENTS AND THE TEACHERS, AND AND I THAT'S SOMETHING HA EV WOO SEEN A NEED TO ADDRESS, IS AS IS THE ADULTS THAT ARE EXPERIENCED IN TRAUMA THAT CAN SOMETIMES TRICKLE DOWN TO THE KIDS IN SITUATION.

ONE THANK YOU WOO DOUGH KNOW IS WE HAVE TO ENSURE THAT OUR KIDS UNDERSTAND THE EXPECTATIONS AROUND THEM AND THE WHY.

WHEN WE HAVE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE WHY, THAT IS PAY FIRST STEP IN STOPPING THE TESTAMENT EXPERIENCE IN ITS TRACK.

WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT.

WHY WE HAVE THESE ZOE U.

YOU FOOL SAFE WEPT ABOUT OTHER INNING IN FAYETTE COUNTY WE HAVE A RUSSIA I DON'T OF TWO 50 TO 1.

>> IS IT ENOUGH?

>> IN OUR CURRENT STATE, IT IS ENOUGH FOR KIDS TO HAVE SOMEONE AT ANY POINT DURING THE SCHOOL DAY THAT WHEN THEY EXPERIENCE THAT TRAUMA, WHETHER IT'S FROM A PRACTICE OF ACTIVE SHOOTER OR IT'S FROM A BULLY SITUATION, THEY HAVE SOMEONE IN THAT BUILDING AVAILABLE FOR THEM TO GO TO, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO BE CLEAR ON.

IT'S NOT AN EITHER OR IN THIS POINT.

IT IS THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT BOTH SITUATIONS FOR OUR KIDS TO HAVE EVERYTHING THAT THEY NEED TO EXCEL.

IT'S NOT THE SAME TYPE OF SCHOOL THAT I ATTENDED, AND SO I HAVE TO PREPARE YOUR CHILDREN FOR WHAT 20202022 IS, NOT LIKE WHEN I WAS IN.

SCHOOL IN 1999.

>> COMMISSIONER GLASS, I AM CURIOUS WHAT YOU KNOW OR HAVE LEARNED ABOUT THE IMPACT OF NOSE KIND OF ACT OF SHOOTER DRILLS THAT STUDENTS ARE DOLING DOING VERY FROM YOUNG AGES, HOW THAT IMPACTS THEM TRAUMA-WISE.

>> WELL, I DID WANT TO TOUCH ON ONE THING THAT REPRESENTATIVE SCOTT TALKED ABOUT THINK THINK IS A REALLY GOOD COMMON-SENSE FIRST STEP, AND THAT'S TO START TALKING AND THINKING ABOUT GUN LOCKS AND HOW THE WE MIGHT BETTER SECURE EVEN GUN RIGHTS ADVOCATES OUGHT TO BE IN FAVOR OF HAVING GUNS SECURED AND PUT AWAY AND OUT OF THE ETCH RAAF OF CHILDREN, SO I THINK THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT THE STATE GETS INVOLVED AROUND A TRIGGER LOCKS OR OTHER CAN LONG MECHANISMS AND TRAINING COURSES, EDUCATIONAL AROUND THAT.

THAT SEEMS TO ME LIKE IT MIGHT BE A RALLY GOOD FIRST STEP.

BUT DIRECTLY TO YOUR QUESTION, DO THE ACTIVE SHOOTER DRILLS SORT OF HARM OR PUTTER HURT, I THINK A LOT OF IT DEPEND ON HOW THEY'RE CONDUCTED, AND DOES THE THE -- DOES THAT DRILL TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE AGE OF THE STUDENT?

THERE ARE DIFFERENT THINGS YOU DO IN A SITUATION LIKE THAT IN AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL VERSUS A HIGH SCHOOL, AND THERE ARE DIFFERENT APPROACHES TO IT.

SOME SCHOOLS ARE TEACHING STUDENTS TO SHELTER, HIDE, SECURE DOORS.

OTHER SCHOOLS OF THOUGHT ARE THAT YOU FLEE OR EVEN FIGHT BACK.

SO I THINK WE'RE SADLY SEEING THE EMERGENCE OF ENOUGH DATA AROUND SCHOOL SHOOTINGS THAT A BEST PRACTICE IS STARTING TO EMERGE.

BUT DIRECTLY TO YOUR QUESTION, I THINK IT DEPENDS ON THE TENSE SENSITIVITY THAT'S USED AS THE ACT OF SHOOTER DRILL IS CREATED FOR THAT SCHOOL.

>> AND THE SROs, ARE THEY INVOLVED IN THOSE DRILLS?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

A APPROPRIATELY INVOLVED SRO IN THE PLANNING AND EXECUTION OF THOSE DRILLS IS CRITICAL.

WE WERE TALKING EARLIER ABOUT PREVENTING STRATEGY AND THAT'S WHEN I WAS TALKING ABOUT PROTOCOLS AND PERSON.

CAUSATION FACTOR IS WHAT WE HAVE TO REY GET BETTER AT.

I THINK CHIEF SCHAFER DO HAVE DEDEEH AND THE LEVEL HE'S INVOLVED HER WITH WITH HIS DEPARTMENT, INVOLVING THE MENTAL HEALTH PIECE AND DEALING WITH STUDENTS IS CRITICAL, AND WE SHOULD BE DOING THAT STATEWIDE BECAUSE TO ME THAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PIECE TO IDENTIFYING, RECOGNIZING AND DEALING WITH THE POTENTIAL THREAT BEFORE IT BECOMES A THREAT.

>> WHEN WE TALK ABOUT YOU CAN GUN SAFETY AND GUN CONTROL MEASURES, ARE YOU ANY FAVOR THOSE?

>> YEAH.

HERE'S THE DEAL.

I DON'T WANT ANY WEAPON ON SCHOOL PROPERTY, OBVIOUSLY.

I THOUGHT COMMISSIONER GLASS MADE A REALLY GOOD POINT.

HE SPOKE TO EVERY GUN ADVOCATE AND EVERY -- EVERYBODY WHO UNDERSTANDS WEAPONS SHOULD BE IN FAVOR OF IS THERE LEGISLATION THAT WE CAN SMARTLY PUT INTO PLACE THAT'S GOING TO KEEP KIDS AND BYSTANDERS SAFE.

DOES THAT MEAN THAT IF YOU OWN A WEAPON, IT HAS TO BE SECURED IN YOUR HOME.

IT HAB TO KEPT AWAY FROM KIDS.

>> DO YOU LAVER FAVOR THAT?

>> SURE.

>> RED FLAG LAWS.

>> YOU ARE STARTING TO GET ME IN A UNCOMFORTABLE PLACE.

WE'RE TELLING IN THE POLITICAL REALM NOW.

IT'S PROBABLY NOT FOR ME TO SPEAK OF THAT.

>> WELL, I'LL ASK CHIEF SCHAFER WHAT DO YOU THINK?

I'LL ECHO.

LET THESE OTHERS MAKE THOSE DECISIONS P WE ARE JUST WANTING TO PUT OUR CAMPUSES IN THE MOST SAFE POSITIONS THAT THEY CAN, AND I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT A LOT OF THOSE COMPENENTS, RELATIONSHIPS AND COMMUNICATIONS AND TRAINING AND UNDERSTANDING OF OUR POPULATION, AND I THINK THAT'S THE APPROACH THAT WE TAKE IN SAFETY.

>> WELL, FOR SCHOOLS THAT HAVE POLICE DEPARTMENT, DISTRICTS THAT HAVE POLICE DEPARTMENTS AND THEY HAVE SROs, I MEAN, HAVING BEGUN CONTROL MEASURES WOULD NOT JUST PROTECT THE STUDENTS BUT PROTECT YOU AS WELL, RIGHT?

>> THERE'S LEVELS OF PROTECTION THROUGHOUT THAT, RIGHT, AND THAT'S LAYERED I GUESS RESPONSE AND THERE'S A LOT OF ANGLES THAT CAN TAKE, BUT AGAIN I'LL STICK TO WHAT OUR -- OUR LANE, AND THAT IS THE COLLABORATIVE EFFORTS OF ALL OUR SUPPORT NETWORKS IN THE FAYETTE COUNTY SCHOOLS TO KEEP OUR KIDS SAFE.

>> COMMISSIONER I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT TRIGGER LOCKS.

YOU HAVE SEEN THAT LEGISLATION THAT IS GONE THROUGH THE LEVELING TAIL FOR MANY, MANY YEARS.

WHAT'S YOUR POSITION ON THAT?

SAFE STORAGE.

>> I THINK THAT I HAVE GUNS IN MY HOME AND STUFF, YOU KNOW, CURRENTLY HAVE NO CHILDREN IN MY HOME BUT I DON'T USE TRIGGER LOCKS ON ANY OF MY GUNS.

I'M LOOKING AT BUYING A GUN SAFE TO PUT THEM ALL IN BECAUSE I DO HAVE GRANDCHILDREN THAT WILL BE VISITING.

AND THAT'S A PLAN FOR ME, TO DO THAT, TO KEEP THEM LOCKED AWAY INTO A GUN SAFE.

>> FOR PARENTAL ACCOUNTABILITY FOR KIDS WHO GET HOLD OF A GUN AND MISUSE AND IT CAUSE VIOLENCE AND HARM AND DEATH, SHOULD THEY BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE?

>> I THINK THAT'S UP TO THE COURT SYSTEM AND LAWS THAT ARE IN PLACE RIGHT NOW.

TO HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE, YES.

>> THIS SIDE CARE TO COMMENT ON THAT?

>> I THINK THAT THAT IS 100% AN AVENUE THAT WE SHOULD EXPLORE THROUGH LEGISLATION, THAT WE SHOULD HOLD PARENTS ACCOUNTABILITY THE FOR SAFETY THEIR CHILDREN IN ANY FORM, ESPECIALLY WITH GUNS.

>> CHIEF SCHAFER?

>> I THINK ACCOUNTABILITY CAN LOOK A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS.

I THINKU ACCOUNTABILITY CAN BE DID WE OFFER THEM TRAINING?

HAVE WE TALKED TO THEM ABOUT THE DANGERS?

HAVE WE EDUCATED EVERYONE?

IS EVERYONE AWARE OF THE CONSEQUENCES THAT COMES FROM CERTAIN CHOICES THEY MAKE?

AND THAT GOES FROM GUN LAWS TO ANY NUMBER OF THINGS THAT WE MAKE.

AND AS JUVENILES GROWING UP NOW, I MEAN, I KNOW THAT -- I'M GLAD I'M NOT HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR SOME OF THE THINGS I DID AS A AS A TEENAGER BUT I WAS SHOWN SOME GRACE AND SOME CARE AND CONCERN.

AND LOVE, AS WE SAID.

I THINK THAT IS WHERE YOUR COMMUNITY NEEDS TO WRAP THEIR ARMS AROUND THESE STUDENTS AND SHOW TEM THE WAYS THAT'S GOING TO TEACH THEM TO ACHIEVE AND TO GROW UP AND BE PRODUCT OF CITIZENS THISNER COMMUNITY.

>> WHAT ARE THE QUESTIONS MS. NEWBERN THAT PARENTS ARE ASKING YOU IF UVALDE, TEXT IS STILL FRESH IN THEIR MIND, AND THEY'RE WONDERING IF I SEND BY KID BACK TO SCHOOL ON AUGUST THE 10th, HOW SAFE IS MY CHILD, YOU WOULD SAY WHAT?

>> I WOULD SAY THAT FAYETTE COUNTY IS COMMITTED TO EDUCATING YOUR CHILD RAS A WHOLE CITIZEN.

AND IN DOING SO, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO KEEP YOUR CHILD SAFE JUST AS THEY ARE SAFE IN YOUR HOME, JUST AS THEY ARE SAFE IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANT TO ASSURE OUR BARENTS IS AS A FAMILY IN FAYETTE COUNTY, OUR GOAL IS NOT JUST TO KEEP YOUR CHILD SAFE BUT TO HELP THEM TO BUCK PRODUCTIVE CITIZENS BECAUSE EVENTUALLY THEY WILL BE THE LEADERS IN THIS COMMUNITY, AND IF WE ARE NOT RAISING THEM RIGHT WITHIN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM NOW, THEN WE WILL HAVE FUTURE TROUBLE WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE.

>> REPRESENTATIVE SCOTT.

>> GIVEN DEAFEN WANT WE HAVE GOT TO MAKE SURE THAT PARENTS AND STUDENTS AND OUR STAFF IN THE SCHOOL BUILDINGS KNOW THEY'RE SAFE, THEY'RE STAY OF WHEN THEY GO TO SCHOOL BUT THEY'RE ALSO SAFE IN THEIR COMMUNITIES.

FOR ME I CAN'T SEPARATE THE TWO AS SOMEBODY WHO POLICE HAVE IN COMMUNITY AND IS DEEPLY ROOTED IN COMMUNITY.

SEEK HAVE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT SCHOOL SAFETY BUT WE CAN'T SEPARATE THEM FROM HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT THE COMMUNITIES THAT STUDENTS AND PARENTS AND STAFF GO BACK TO ARE SAFE SEQUEL.

>>Y SUPERINTENDENTS, WHAT DO THEY TELL YOU IF OTHER EDUCATORS BE WITH ADMINISTRATORS, COMMISSIONER GLASS?

>> I THINK THEY WOULD ALL SAY THAT THEY COULD GUARANTEE SAFETY FOR THE STUDENTS AND STAFF THAT WALK INTO HERR BUILDING, BUT WE ALL KNOW THAT'S NOT TRUE.

I HAVE A WIFE THAT WORKS IN FAYETTE COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND I HAVE TWO CHILDREN THAT ATTEND THESE SCHOOLS, AND AFTER UVALDE WE HAD TO SIT DOWN AS A FAMILY AND THAT YOU CAN TALK ABOUT THEM GOING TO SCHOOL THAT NEXT DAY.

THATS WITH A CENTER DIFFICULT SITUATION.

I COULD SEE ON MY WIFE AS FACE SHE WAS WONDERING.

>> HOW DID YOU ANSWER THEMSOME.

>> THREES ARE REAL CONVERSATIONS FOR US.

I SAID THAT THE LIKELIHOOD THAT YOU WILL BE INVOLVED IN SOMETHING LIKE WHAT WE SAW ON TELEVISION IS VERY LOW, BUT YOU NEED TO DO EVERYTHING THAT YOU CAN TO BE VIGILANT, PAY ATTENTION, FOLLOW THE DIRECTIONS THAT YOU'RE GIVEN AT SCHOOL ABOUT TAKING ACTION TO STAY SAFE.

THOSE ARE THE KIND OF THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT.

I LEFT THAT CONVERSATION THINKING ABOUT WHAT ARE THE THING THAT I CAN DO, WHAT ARE THE THINGS WE CAN DO AS A STATELY.

I THINK WE CAN APPROACH THIS IDEOLOGICALLY AND SAY THIS IS THE THIRD RAIL.

WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT THIS ISSUE.

IT'S TOO PARDON IMPORTANT.

OUR CHILDREN ARE TOO IMPORTANT.

EV TO LOOK AT THE SITUATION.

REGRETTABLY WE HAVE ENOUGH EVIDENCE THAT WE HAVE EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE AROUND POLICIES AND PROCEDURES AROUND WHAT IS EFFECTIVE AND WHAT IS NOT.

>> IS THE WILL THERE DO YOU THINK?

>> I THINK A LOT THESE QUESTIONS IN 23 ARE STILL MIRED IN IDEOLOGICAL POSITIONS.

THERE'S A LOT OF HARD NOSE IN THINGS BE EFFECTIVE IN OTHER PLACES THAT I I THINK WE NEED TO BE TALKING ABOUT.

FOR EXAMPLE, BANS ON LARGE BUMP STOCKS AND EMPIRICAL STOCKS.

THAT SHOWS A DECREASE IN THE LIKELIHOOD OF HAVING A MASS MURDER OR SCHOOL SHOOTER, THE ABOUT IT'S RAUFT TABLE HERE.

I THINK IT'S CLEAR THAT WE HAVE A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS IN THIS COUNTRY, AND THE COURTS HAVE MADE IT'S EVEN CLEARER IF THE GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO REVOKE THAT RIGHT, THERE SHOULD BE A END E. CLEAR REASON FOR DOING THAT.

BUT I STILL DON'T THINK THAT THAT PRECLUDE US FROM HAVING THAT CONVERSATIONS BECAUSE IT'S ABOUT OUR CHILDREN, AND IT'S ABOUT THEIR SAFETY, AND IF WE PUT THAT FIRST, WE OUGHT TO BE WILLING TO DO ANYTHING TO PROTECT THEM.

IF SOME OTHER COUNTRY CAME IN AND DID THIS TO OUR SCHOOLS, WE WOULD CONSIDER IT AN ACT OF WAR, BUT WE CONTINUE TO ALLOW THESE THINGS TO HAPPEN.

>> I DO WANT TO ASK IN THE LAST COUPLE OF MINUTES REMAINING FOR THOSE, AND MAYBE I'LL START WITH YOU, MR.

BARRIER, ABOUT INVOLVEMENTS IN THE CONVERSATION, EFFECTIVENESS AND NECESSITY AND BEING ABLE TO STAVE OFF CRIME FOR PARENTS WHO ARE REALLY CURIOUS ABOUT THAT.

HOW WOULD YOU RESPOND TO THEM IN.

>> I DON'T THINK WE'RE EVER GOING TO BE ABLE TO COMPLETELY REMOVE THE HUMAN ELEMENT, THE PIECE OF WHAT WE DO, UNDERSTANDING THAT WHILE WE CAN MAKE SCHOOL BUILDING HARDER TARGETS, THE HUMAN ELEMENT OF WHAT WE DO WILL ALWAYS BE THERE.

OUR ABILITY TO ENGAGE, ENGAGE THE THREAT AND ELIMINATE THE THREAT ULTIMATELY.

WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT SCHOOL SHOOTERS IS THAT ONCE A SCHOOL SHOOTER HAS BEEN APPROPRIATELY ENGAGED BY A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, THERE'S BEEN NO FURTHER LOSS OF LIFE.

AND SO THE SOONER THAT I CAN GET THERE TO HELP, IS THE BETTER OFF THE STUDENT'S GOING TO BE.

I KNOW THAT WE'RE NEV GOING TO BE ABLE TO SEPARATE SOMEBODY'S PERSONAL FEELINGS ABOUT HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT LAW ENFORCEMENT.

Y WE MAY NOT BE HELP THEM UNDER THAT.

WE MAY NOT EVER BE ABLE TO BRIDGE THAT GAP, BUT JUST UNDER THING AND TRUSTING THE FACT THAT THE SCHOOL TRICKETT THAT IS THEIR STUDENTS' BEST INTERESTS IN MIND.

>> SENATOR WILSON, I'LL GIVE YOU A FINAL WORD IF YOU CAN DO SO IN ABOUT 30 SECOND.

>> I JUST WANT TO SAY I THINK OUR SCHOOLS, AS FAR AS BEN WILCOX WHO IS THE SCHOOL SAFETY MARSHAL, WHAT HE SHARED WITH US, THAT AT THIS POINT IN TIME I THINK IT'S 90 SOMETHING PERCENT OF OUR SCHOOLS ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE LAWS THAT WE HAVE ON THE BOOKS.

WHETHER THEY'RE ABLE TO HAVE THE SRO OR NOT, THEY HAVE ACTUALLY REACHED OUT TO HIM AND TOLD HIM THEIR SITUATION AND ACHIEVED THEIR WAIVER.

AND SO I THINK OUR SCHOOLS ARE SAFE AND THEY'RE READY FOR KID TOWING BACK TO SCHOOL.

>> ALL RIGHT.

WE'LL HAVE TO LEAVE IT THERE.

THANK YOU ALL FOR A GOOD CONVERSATION.

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