
Amy Walter and Leigh Ann Caldwell on political violence
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Amy Walter and Leigh Ann Caldwell on the rise in political violence
Amy Walter of the Cook Political Report with Amy Walter and Leigh Ann Caldwell of Puck News join Amna Nawaz to discuss the latest political news, including a spate of worrying political violence in the U.S., President Trump’s domestic and international priorities and the upcoming battle on the budget.
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Amy Walter and Leigh Ann Caldwell on political violence
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Amy Walter of the Cook Political Report with Amy Walter and Leigh Ann Caldwell of Puck News join Amna Nawaz to discuss the latest political news, including a spate of worrying political violence in the U.S., President Trump’s domestic and international priorities and the upcoming battle on the budget.
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Learn Moreabout PBS online sponsorshipAMNA NAWAZ: After a spate of worrying political violence, lawmakers on both sides of the aisle are calling for more security.
On top of the targeted shootings of Minnesota lawmakers this weekend, a bystander was shot and killed at an anti-Trump rally in Salt Lake City when security responded to a gunman with an AR-15.
Joining me now to discuss this and more of the day's political news are Amy Walter of The Cook Political Report With Amy Walter and Leigh Ann Caldwell of Puck News.
Great to see you both.
AMY WALTER, The Cook Political Report: Hello.
LEIGH ANN CALDWELL, Puck News: Great to be here.
AMNA NAWAZ: So, Leigh Ann, Minnesota authorities said earlier that the alleged shooter there had a hit list of a number of officials, all Democrats.
We know he targeted Democratic lawmakers there.
But, as we reported earlier, we have seen political violence target both Republicans and Democrats, of course, the president targeted twice.
Democratic governors like Josh Shapiro and Gretchen Whitmer have been targeted.
Is it fair to call this now a bipartisan concern?
What's the context for this message right now?
LEIGH ANN CALDWELL: Absolutely.
It's been a bipartisan concern for many years now.
This really started when there was the shooting on the baseball field with Steve Scalise, who's now the Republican leader, was shot and nearly lost his life.
There were calls for more security for lawmakers then.
After January 6, 2021, when the Capitol was attacked, there was more calls for security then.
It has really played a role actually in members' views of their jobs as well.
Lawmakers have been quite concerned for many years about not only their own security, but their family's security as well.
My former colleagues at The Washington Post had a great story a couple of years ago that shows that members have increased their congressional budgets on security spending alone 500 percent just from 2020 to 2022 because of these concerns.
And so it's absolutely something that everyone is worried about, and that's why we're going to see more briefings and more calls for increased security this week.
AMNA NAWAZ: Amy, at the same time, Leigh An mentioned January 6.
We should note that President Trump did pardon many of those, even among the most violent people on January 6.
But, today, he condemned the Minnesota attack and said it was unacceptable.
We did see some lawmakers, like Senator Mike Lee of Utah, respond with baseless claims online, calling the Minnesota shooter a Marxist.
We saw Elon Musk also wrongly proclaim that the shooter was far left online.
How does all that noise around the shooter's background impact the division and the discussion right now?
AMY WALTER: Yes, I think all of this is contributing to a number of factors for people who are in public service and people who may want to be in public service.
If you're in office right now, I think it has a chilling effect.
We talk to people all the time who would rather not rock the boat, rather not take a vote to oppose something or say something for fear, not -- again, not just of themselves, but of their family members.
No matter how much security there is, how much money these lawmakers can put to sort of safeguarding themselves in Washington, they do have homes, they have multiple offices that people work in their districts.
So you're talking about not just these individuals, but hundreds of people that they want to protect in their lives.
It's easier to not speak.
That's a really big problem if people's voices have been silenced, especially if they're voting in something that's controversial or that they're opposed to.
The other is about recruiting and retaining the best in the business.
If you are an aspiring public servant, do you really want to put your family through this?
And it used to be we would talk about this for Congress or maybe for president.
Now you have to think about it if you're running for city council or running -- these were state legislators who were targeted in Minnesota.
These people are not going to be able to get the level of security that a member of Congress could get.
AMNA NAWAZ: Such a sobering reminder there.
I do want to pull back just a little bit and take a bigger look at some of the president's top priorities in particular in the context of all the news and the stories we're individually reporting on.
Take a look.
This is a non-exhaustive list, as we will call it, of some of the deadlines that the president has really set for himself.
On trade, he promised 90 deals in 90 days.
We know that the tariffs are now set to go into effect in mid-July, on July 8.
On Iran, he said there were 60 days to reach a nuclear deal.
The deadline for that passed.
That was June 11.
And now we see Israel striking Iran, Iran striking back.
In Ukraine, he promised to end the war on day one.
He later said that was actually an exaggeration.
And, on immigration, the president and the vice president have really promised a million deportations in year one.
So far, there's about 200,000 as of the second week of June.
And, Leigh Ann, on immigration alone, as Lisa was reporting there, he's rolled back some of the raids on business sectors that were impacted.
And we know he's targeting Democratic cities, even though some of the largest undocumented populations are in Texas and Florida.
How do you look at all this and the president's sort of failure to meet his own deadlines on a lot of these things?
LEIGH ANN CALDWELL: Yes, well the president is very good at setting expectations and then also moving the goalposts too and being able to message in a way that still gives it -- makes him seem like he has come out on top.
And so that's one of his superpowers.
But you do see in polling that people are starting to get frustrated maybe not with missing deadlines, but just with the back-and-forth, the chaoticness of what is actually happening.
I mean, on immigration specifically, Donald Trump pulled back after he had heard from his agriculture secretary, who was hearing from Republican members of Congress and business leaders that it was impacting their businesses, farms.
And then, of course, he was in the hotel and restaurant industry.
He knows a lot of people in that industry too.
And so, instead of making it seem like he is pulling back from a promise that he had, he has now redirected his focus on states and cities where Democrats control, promising still to meet his deportation X quotas by focusing on immigrants who he says are criminals, the ones that live in blue states.
So it's an -- the president is distracting, redirecting and also trying to make it seem like he is still accomplishing what he said he would do.
AMY WALTER: Yes.
And when we look at polling, the president's approval rating numbers with Republicans remain incredibly high.
The one thing that has dropped is the strong approval rating.
In other words, they still think that he's doing a good job, but they're not quite as engaged, as motivated by Donald Trump as they were earlier on.
I think that Leigh Ann has it right.
A lot of it is the chaos, the not really knowing, especially on tariffs and some of these other issues, where the ball is going to end up.
AMNA NAWAZ: Before I let you go, I want to get each of you to weigh in on the week ahead.
We know that this big budget bill is making its way through Congress.
We know that the Senate Finance Committee just released their section of the bill today.
Leigh Ann, what kind of fights are we looking at ahead, especially when it comes to these big-ticket items like Medicaid, between the Senate and the House?
LEIGH ANN CALDWELL: Yes, it's not going to be easy.
The Senate says that they weren't going to change this bill a lot, but the changes that they did make are really setting up fights not only within their party among some members, but with the House as well, especially on this issue of Medicaid.
There are a lot of House members and even a few senators who are very worried about steep cuts to Medicaid.
And, in fact, the Senate actually made deeper cuts to Medicaid than the House did.
And so it's going to be a big lift for Senator John Thune to pass this over in the Senate, but the even bigger lift is reconciling with the House in the coming weeks.
AMNA NAWAZ: Amy?
AMY WALTER: Yes, where you also have incredibly small margins.
The other big lift is going to be selling this plan.
Democrats have been united for a while now on pushing this as an issue of cutting Medicaid, the largest cut to Medicaid in history.
And there are signs that messaging has broken through, that people are talking about this and adjusting that.
Now Republicans, they have to pass it and then they have got to sell it, and to a public that is probably a little more skeptical.
AMNA NAWAZ: Big lift for a big bill.
AMY WALTER: Yes.
AMNA NAWAZ: We will follow it more.
Leigh Ann Caldwell, Amy Walter, great to see you both.
Thank you so much.
AMY WALTER: You're welcome.
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