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>> CATHY: IN THE NEXT HOUR, WE'LL EXPLORE NEXT STEPS FOR STRIKING NURSES, WE'LL PROFILE A GUGGENHEIM-HONORED ARTIST IN LOWERTOWN ST. PAUL, AND THEN MARY LAHAMMER TAKES A LOOK AT A HOTLY CONTESTED RACE FOR A LITTLE KNOWN STATEWIDE OFFICE.

>> Mary: THE STATES AUDITOR JOINED NURSES ON THE PICKED LINE AS SHE FACES THE CLOSEST CONTEST IN ANY STATEWIDE RICE.

>> WE'RE 1% WHICH WAS A STATISTICAL DEAD HEAT.

>> THIS IS OF ONE OF THE LAST RACES PEOPLE LOOK AT.

>> Mary: WE'LL HAVE THE STORY.

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♪♪ >> CATHY: IN A FEW MINUTES, WE'LL MEET UP WITH CANDIDATES FOR STATE AUDITOR, AND LATER IN THE HOUR, WE'LL PREVIEW THE NEW KEN BURNS DOCUMENTARY ABOUT THE U.S. AND THE HOLOCAUST.

BUT FIRST UP, THE BIG REGIONAL STORY OF THE WEEK: THE THREE-DAY STRIKE BY MINNESOTA NURSES.

>> ERIC: IT'S BELIEVED TO BE THE LARGEST PRIVATE SECTOR NURSES STRIKE IN U.S. HISTORY.

15,000 NURSES WALKED OFF THEIR JOBS IN THE TWIN CITIES AND DULUTH, UNDERSCORING THEIR PUSH FOR BETTER STAFFING CONDITIONS AND HIGHER WAGES.

JEREMY OLSON HAS BEEN COVERING THE STORY FOR THE "STAR TRIBUNE."

HEALTH CARE IS HIS BEAT.

HE'S A HOLDER OF A PULITZER PRIZE.

SAY, JEREMY, WHAT WAS WITH THE THREE-DAY STRIKE AND DID IT ACCOMPLISH WHAT THE NURSES WANTED IT TO TO ACCOMPLISH?

>> THAT'S THE GREAT QUESTION.

I WAS TALKING WITH ALLEN BENSON, A LABOR PROFESSIONAL OVER AT THE UNIVERSITY AND HE SAID A STRIKE USUALLY HAPPENS WHEN ONE SIDE MAKES A MISMELE KALIKIMAKA CLAUSE.

I ASKED WHO DID THE MISCALCULATING.

HE SAID I HAVE NO IDEA, WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THEY GET BACK TO THE TABLE.

IN 2016, THE ALLINA NURSES HAD TO GO TO THE TABLE TWICE TO GET AN AGREEMENT.

>> Cathy: WHY USE A THREE-DAY STRIKE?

>> IT MINIMIZES THE LOSE AND PAIN OF MONEY FOR THE NURSES BUT INFLICTS A LOT OF FINANCIAL PAIN ON HE HOSPITAL, THEY HAVE TO BRING IN THOSE OF TRAVEL NURSES OFTEN AT DOUBLE THE WAGES.

THIS THREE-DAY STRIKE COSTS TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS NORTH 15 HOSPITALS INVOLVED.

>> Eric: THE NURSES WANT SOME DECISION-MAKING AUTHORITY OVER STAFFING LEVELS AND ALONG WITH THE WAGE INCREASES AND BENEFIT IMPROVEMENTS, THAT THE TWO THINGS THAT PLAY HERE?

>> YEAH, THEY'RE ASKING FOR MORE CONTROL OVER STAFFING, MORE SAY, NE OF THE THINGS THEY WANT IS A 51% VOTE AT THE STAFFING COMMITTEES TO SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, THIS CHANGE IN STAFFING IS NOT A GOING TO WORK.

BUT THEY ALSO WANT PAY INCREASES AND, REALLY, IN THE HISTORY OF THESE KIND OF LABOR INTERACTIONS BETWEEN THE MINNESOTA NURSES AND ATHE HOSPITALS, SOMETIMES THEY'VE SACRIFICED SOME OF THOSE STAFFING THINGS FOR MONEY SO IT'S GOING TO BE A COMBINATION OR ONE OR THE OTHER, HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE.

>> Cathy: AND WE'VE BEEN DOWN THIS ROAD BEFORE, THERE HAVE BEEN A NUMBER OF OTHER NURSES' STRIKES IN THE PAST AND SEEMS LIKE WE'RE SEEING THE SAME ISSUES TIME AND AGAIN.

>> YEAH, STAFFING WAS THE BIG ISSUE IN 2010 WHEN WE DID 12,000 NURSES IN THE TWIN CITIES DID A ONE-DAY STRIKE BUT IT GOT SET ASIDE IN A DEAL THAT PRESERVED THEIR PENSION BENEFITS, RAISED THEIR PAY.

2016, IT WAS ABOUT HEALTH INSURANCE FOR THE NURSES BUT WE HEARD A LOT OF ALK ABOUT STAFFING AND WE DID IN 2019 WHEN THE CHILDREN'S NURSES WERE ALL READY TO STRIKE AND THEY HAD A DEAL AT THE LAST MINUTE.

SO IT'S ALWAYS PART OF THE TABLE BUT A REALLY HARD THING TO GET A DEAL DONE OVER.

>> Eric: DOES A TIGHT LABOR MARKET COME INTO PLAY HERE AT ALL?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

ALL THE HOSPITALS, THE HOSPITALS ACKNOWLEDGE RIGHT NOW THAT THEY'RE SHORT AND SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE ABOUT RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION BUT THEY'RE LOSING MONEY RIGHT NOW.

THEY'RE IN THE RED A.AND SO THEY ARGUE WE CAN'T AFFORD THE KIND OF WAGE INCREASES THAT ARE BEING PRESSED UPON US, WE NEED TO FIND ANOTHER SOLUTION.

>> Cathy: ANOTHER ISSUE THAT HAS COLUMN IS SAFETY.

WE'VE HEARD THAT, TOO, BUT WHAT DOES THAT MEAN, EXACTLY?

>> WELL, IF YOU LOOK AT THE ADVERSE EVENT THAT THE HOSPITALS REPORT EVERY YEAR, NEVER EVENT THAT SHOULDN'T HAPPEN -- ARE DEEMED PREVENTIBLE, ASSAULTS THAT INJURE STAFF OR PATIENTS ARE UP AND THAT'S JUST ONE REFLECTION.

I DID TALK TO SOME NURSES ON THE PICKET LINE, ESPECIALLY THOSE IN THE EMERGENCY ROOM, WHO SAY AMID THE OPIOID CRISIS, THEY'RE GETTING ASSAULTED PHYSICALLY OR VERBALLY JUST ABOUT ON A DAILY BASIS.

>> Eric: HOW HAS COVID, IF IT HAS, COME INTO PLAY IN THE NURSING SITUATION?

>> WELL, IF YOU TALK TO THE NURSES THAT DEALT WITH A LOT OF COVID PATIENTS AND FAMILIES, IT BECAME A VERY POLITICAL ISSUE VERY QUICK AND WHEN THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT TREATMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, SOMETIMES THE PATIENTS AND THEIR FAMILIES DIDN'T BELIEVE IN THEM BASED ON THEIR BELIEFS AND THAT WOULD CREATE SOME TENNIS SITUATIONS FOR THE NURSES, CERTAINLY RATCHET UP THE TENSION ON THEIR DAY.

>> Cathy: OKAY, SO WHAT ARE THE NEXT STEPS, DO WE KNOW?

>> THERE'S GOING TO BE NEGOTIATIONS TAKING PLACE STARTING NEXT WEEK.

THEY HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE TABLE.

IF YOU RECALL IN 2016, THE DEAL WAS FINALLY REACHED WHEN THE GOVERNOR AND LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR GOT INVOLVED AND MEDIATORS HELPED BROKER A DEAL.

WE'RE NOT AT THAT POINT YET.

I THINK BOTH SIDES WANT TO GET BACK TO THE TABLE AND SEE IF THEY CAN COME CLOSER.

THEY'RE PRETTY FAR APART RIGHT NOW.

>> Cathy: YOU MENTIONED COVERED, BY THE WAY, AND YOU FOLLOW THE COVID PANDEMIC, YOU'VE BEEN WRITING ABOUT THAT NOW FOR MANY, MANY MONTHS.

DID THE STRIKE MUDDY THE STATE STATS THIS PAST WEEK OVER COVID?

>> IT'S HARD TO SAY.

ONE OF THE NICE THINGS ABOUT THE COVID STATISTICS IS THAT THE HOSPITALS HAVE TO REPORT HOW MANY PATIENTS THEY HAVE AND I WAS EAGER TO LOOK AT THAT DATA TO SEE IF THE HOSPITALS IN PREPARATION FOR THE THIS -- THEY SAID THEY WERE GOING TO TAKE CARE OF THE USUAL, NORMAL OPERATIONS, NORMAL NUMBER OF PATIENTS BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THE HOSPITALS AND THEIR CENSUS DROPPED THIS WEEK.

NOW, COULD BE THEY WERE SO BUSY THEY'RE JUST LATE IN REPORTING BUT LOOKS LIKE THEY KIND OF RESCHEDULED SOME THINGS SO THEY WOULDN'T GOING TO BE QUITE SO BUSY THIS WEEK.

>> Cathy: HUM, OKAY, SO WE'LL KEEP WATCHING THIS.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> Cathy: THANK YOU, JEREMY.

>> Eric: I THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> ERIC: STATEWIDE CONTESTS IN MINNESOTA APPEAR TO BE CLOSE, ASIDE FROM THE GOVERNOR'S RACE.

ACCORDING TO RECENT POLLING, THE TIGHTEST MATCHUP IS FOR STATE AUDITOR, NOT A RACE THAT TYPICALLY GETS A LOT OF ATTENTION.

THIS WEEK, REPORTER MARY LAHAMMER CAUGHT UP WITH THE TOP CANDIDATES ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL.

>> WHAT DO WE WANT?

>> CONTACT.

>> WHEN DO WE WANT IT?

>> NOW.

[HORNE HONKING] >> Mary: THE HISTORIC NURSES' STRIKE BROUGHT OUT MANY FARMER LABOR DEMOCRATIC OFFICERS IN MINNESOTA, ONE OF WHICH IS THE STATE AUDITOR.

>> THE URSES ARE ASKING FOR OUR ATTENTION.

THIS IS WHERE I STARTED, I WAS A LABOR LEADER, I'VE I BEEN A TEACHER'S YOU THINK I DON'T KNOW PRESIDENT.

>> LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE LEANING IN WITH THE FARMERS -- >> LABOR, AGAIN, IS MY BACKGROUNDS BUT ALSO WITH FARMIST, THE STATE AUDITOR SERVES ON THE RURAL FINANCE AUTHORITY AND MY FAMILY COMES FROM AGRICULTURE.

[KNOCKING] >> BLAHA IS FACING REPUBLICAN RYAN WILSON.

>> I STARTED AND RAN AN AUDITING COMPANY FOR TEN YEARS, AUDITED MEDICAL DESIZE COMPANIES, A LOT OF THEM HERE IN THEN M, SOME OF THE BIGGEST DEVICE COMPANIES IN THE WORLD AND WE HELPED THEM GET THEIR DEVICES APPROVED AND TO MARKED AND SO I HAVE LOT OF EXPERIENCE BOTH STARTING AND MANAGING AND LEADING AND IN THE AUDITING SPACE BUT I'M ALSO AN ATTORNEY.

I DO A LOT OF CONSTITUTIONAL LAW WHICH MEANS BASICALLY I SUE THE GOVERNMENT.

[HORNS HONKING] >> Mary: WHAT OES A STATE AUDITOR DO AND WHY IS IT RELEVANT?

>> ULTIMATELY MY JOB TO OVERSEE ABOUT $60 BILLION IN GOVERNMENT SPENDING AND THE PURPLE OF IT IS SO THAT YOU CAN MUCH YOUR OWN FREEDOM TO MAKE YOUR OWN DECISIONS.

IF YOU'RE TARTING TO GET DISENCHANTED WITH HAVE THE GOOD, GO LOCAL.

I'M RYAN WILSON, RUNNING FOR STATE AUDITOR.

WE'RE DOWN HRDINA, WE'RE DOOR-KNOCKING WITH DOUG WHO'S RUNNING FOR SENATE.

WE'RE SENDING OUT EITHER MYSELF OR DOOR-KNOCKERS WITH LOCAL LEGISLATIVE CANDIDATES TO HELP GET THE WORD OUT ON THE STATE AUDITOR'S RAISE.

>> Mary: HOW IMPORTANT ARE THE SUBURBS IN A STATEWIDE RACE RIGHT NOW?

>> IT'S ESSENTIAL.

I WOULD WILL MAKE OR BREAK THE RACE.

>> Mary: THE RACE FOR AUDITOR OESN'T USUALLY GARNER THIS MUCH ATTENTION BUILD IT'S THE CLOSEST RACE WITH BLAH MA AND THE OTHER SEPARATED BY JUST ONE PERCENTAGE POINT.

THIS IS THE CLOSEST RACE IN THE STATE.

>> I THINK YOU COULD ARGUE THAT.

ONE OF IT IS THIS IS OFTEN ONE OF THE LAST RACES PEOPLE LOOK AT AS HEY START TO MAKE THEIR PLANS.

MOST PEOPLE START WITH THE GOVERNOR AND START WORKING THEIR WAY DOWN TO RACES THAT GET LESS PUBLIC ATTENTION AND IN FACT THAT'S ALWAYS A CHALLENGE BECAUSE WHEN I'M DOING MY JOB REALLY WELL, I'M KEEPING PEOPLE OUT OF THE HEADLINES, I'M NOT MAKING MY OWN.

>> WE WERE EXCITED TO SEE THAT, WE'VE PUT IN THE HARD WORK, WE WERE XPECTING TO BE DOWN A LITTLE MORE THAN WE WERE, WE'RE DOCUMENT 1% WHICH IS A DEAD HEAD AND WE THOUGHT WE WOULD HAVE SOME MORE GROUND TO MAKE UP SO WE'RE HAPPY WITH WHERE WE ARE TODAY.

>> Mary: 23 UNDECIDEDs, THAT'S ALMOST THE RACE.

WHAT DO YOU DO WITH THOSE?

>> WHEN WE TALK ABOUT WHAT THE OFFICE DOES, WHAT I'VE DONE AND THEN TALK ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MY OPPONENT AND MYSELF, THE UNDIEDs BREAK OUR WAY.

>> UNDECIDED AT 23%, THAT'S PRETTY HIGH, THAT COULD DECIDE THE RACE.

>> THAT'S THE CASE WHY WE CAN'T STOP WORKING.

THAT'S THE HARDEST PART, AND THANK YOU FOR COVERING THIS AND GETTING THE MESSAGE OUT, WHY DO WE HAVE AN AUDITOR.

>> Mary: THESE AUDITOR CANDIDATES ALSO DISAGREE ON PRESSING SOCIAL ISSUES.

>> MY OPPONENT WAS PRESIDENT OF THE FEDERALIST SOCIETY, A GROUP THAT WORKED AGAINST ABORTION RIGHTS.

WHEN THEY KNOW THAT HE SUPPORTS INVESTING MORE IN COAL EVEN THOUGH THE EVIDENCE IS SO OVERWHELMINGLY AGAINST THAT, PEOPLE CAN SEE A CLEAR DIFFERENCE.

>> Mary: YOUR OPPONENT SAYS YOU'RE EXTREME, A FEDERALIST SOCIETY.

WHAT WAS YOUR POLITICS AND IS THAT FAIR?

>> YEAH, I MEAN, I WAS FEDERALIST SOCIETY IN COLLEGE, WHICH MEANS ME AND LIKE FIVE OTHER GUYS GOT FREE CHIPOTLE ONCE A MONTH WHEN WE BROUGHT A SPEAKER IN SO I DON'T THINK IF IT'S THAT EXTREME.

>> I THINK ABORTION IS A MAJOR FACTOR AND THE IDEA THAT PEOPLE ARE AYING THAT TIM WALZ FOLLOWS THE FACTS, HE FOLLOWS THE SCIENCE.

WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE ON A LOT OF THINGS.

IF YOU CARE ABOUT ABORTION, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THE ENTIRE D.F.L.

TICKET IS GOING TO PROTECT YOUR RIGHT TO CHOOSE.

WHEN I GO TO THE DOOR, ABORTION COMES UP ABOUT HALF THE DOORS.

WHAT ELSE COMES UP?

>> Mary: SHE'S HEARING BIT.

ARE YOU HEARING ABOUT IT OUT IN NEIGHBORHOODS DOOR-KNOCKING?

>> NOT AT ALL, ZERO.

I GO TO PEOPLE'S DOORS AND TALK ABOUT THE STATE AUDITOR'S OFFICE, THEY WANT TO KNOW WHERE HEIR TAX DOLLARS ARE GOING, THEY WANT TO KNOW IF IT'S MAKING IT TO CLASSROOMS.

>> Mary: IS ABORTION RELATED AT ALL?

>> NOT AT ALL.

WHEN WE GO TO THE PEOPLE'S DOORS, IT'S LESS RIGHT-LEFT, RED-BLUE AS MOST OF THE OFFICES, THE STATE AUDITOR'S OFFICE IS LESS PARTISAN, I SAY TWO PLUS TWO EQUALS FOUR.

WE TALK ABOUT TAX DOLLARS, ARE YOU GOING TO PAY TAXES, ALMOST EVERYBODY SAYS YES AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT DO YOU WANT THOSE TAX DOLLARS GOING TO THE GOOD PROGRAMS OR WASTED ARE MISUSED.

>> Mary: THEY RE ON THE SAME PAGE AT DOWNPLAYING THE IDEA THIS FFICE IS A SPRINGBOARD.

ARNE CARLSON, JUDY DUTCHER, WE'VE HAD PROFILE AUDITORS.

>> MARK DAYTON IT WAS AN AUDITOR.

EVEN BEFORE THAT.

AND I THINK IT'S BECAUSE WHEN YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT'S HAPPENING HOLLY, YOU REALLY UNDERSTAND ALL OF IT.

>> Mary: DO YOU THINK IT COULD E SPRINGBOARD FOR BIGGER THINGS FOR YOU?

>> I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE WANT THAT.

I DON'T WANT THAT.

I'M JUST HERE DO THE JOB OF THE AULD TORE.

>> CATHY THIS SUNDAY, PBS WILL DOCUMENTARY BY KEN BURNS.

"THE U.S. AND THE HOLOCAUST" ADDRESSES AMERICA'S RESPONSE TO THE GREATEST HUMANITARIAN CRISIS OF THE TWENTIETH CENTURY.

DID OUR COUNTRY LIVE UP TO ITS DEMOCRATIC IDEALS DURING THE HOLOCAUST THAT KILLED SIX MILLION JEWS IN EUROPE?

WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT COMPLEX TOPIC IN JUST IN A FEW MINUTES.

BUT FIRST, LET'S LEARN A BIT MORE OF WHAT VIEWERS WILL SEE SUNDAY EVENING.

>> I THINK IT WAS FOR MANY, MANY YEARS, A BECKONING SUBJECT.

SOMETHING WE HAD TO DEAL WITH, SOMETHING WE HAD TO CONFRONT AS FILMMAKERS OF AMERICAN HISTORY.

>> THIS IS A STORY IN WHICH EVERYONE IS CHALLENGED ALL HE TIME.

WE ARE CHALLENGED AS AMERICANS, WE'RE CHALLENGED AS PARENT, AS CHILDREN, TO THINK ABOUT WHAT WE WOULD HAVE DONE, WHAT WE COULD HAVE DONE, WHAT WE SHOULD HAVE DONE, EACH THOUGH THE HOLOCAUST PHYSICALLY TOOK PLACE IN EUROPE, IT IS A STORY THAT AMERICANS HAVE TO RECKON WITH, TWO.

TOO.

>> WHY WOULD WE WANT TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THIS DARK, DARK TIME?

BUT THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT IT THROUGH THE PERSPECTIVE F WHAT DOES IT MEAN FOR AMERICA AND AMERICANS WAS AN OPPORTUNITY WE JUST COULDN'T PASS UP.

>> PART OF OUR NATIONAL MYTHOLOGY IS THAT WE ARE A GOOD PEOPLE, WE ARE A DEMOCRACY.

AND WE ARE A DEMOCRACY AND IN OUR BETTER MOMENTS, WE ARE VERY GOOD PEOPLE.

BUT THAT'S OT ALL THERE IS TO THIS STORY.

>> WE HAVE INTERVIEWS FROM SCHOLARS AND WRITERS WHO EVER STUDIED THE STORY BUT THERE'S JUST REALLY NOTHING LIKE SPEAKING TO SOMEONE WHO LIVED THROUGH IT, AND HEARING THEIR STORY DIRECTLY TOLD TO YOU.

>> MY FATHER EXPLAINED IF WE'RE IN TWO DIFFERENT PLACES, THE CHANCE THAT TWO OF US WILL SURVIVE IS BIGGER SO THAT WAS THE FIRST TIME I REALLY REALIZED IT'S A MATTER OF LIFE AND DEATH.

>> THESE ARE IMPORTANT EVENTS IN MERICAN HISTORY THAT NEED TO BE UNDERSTOOD NOW AND FIVE YEARS FROM NOW.

EVERY GENERATION DESERVES TO LOOK AT THE DEFINING MOMENTS OF THE HUMAN EXPERIENCE AND TRY TO UNDERSTAND THEM FOR THE PRESENT.

>> THIS STORY IS BEYOND OUR COMPREHENSION, IT'S HORRIFYING.

I WON'T WORK ON A MORE IMPORTANT FILM IN MY PROFESSIONAL LIFE.

>> Cathy: POWERFUL.

HERE TO HELP US BETTER UNDERSTAND THE HOLOCAUST IN THE CONTEXT OF BOTH THE PAST, AND THE PRESENT, IS STEVE HUNEGS.

HE HEADS THE JEWISH COMMUNITY RELATIONS COUNCIL.

GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN.

>> THANKS, CATHY, THANKS, ERIC.

>> Cathy: WHAT WAS THE ROLE IN THE HOLOCAUST NORFOLK WHO ARE NOT SURE?

>> I'M START WITH A QUOTE.

THE PROMINENT JEWISH AUTHORITY TESTIMONY SAID THEY YEARS BEFORE THE KRISTALLNACHT, THE WORLD IS DIVIDED IN TWO PLACES, PLACES WHERE JEWS CANNOT LIVE AND PLACES WHERE THEY CANNOT ENTER.

WALTER MONDALE IN 1979, COMMISSION ON REFUGEES, SOUTHEAST ASIA, GENEVA, QUOTED TEST OF CIVILIZATION.

HE SAID A SPEECH ABOUT ECONNE, A CONFERENCE IN -- HE SAID THE U.S. FAILED THE TEST OF SALVATION WHEN IT CAME TO THE RESCUING F EUROPE'S JEWS.

>> Eric: WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN DONE TO EASE THE ACTION.

>> A CON CERTIFICATED ACTION.

ERR WHAT FORM WOULD THAT HAVE TAKEN?

>> WHEN SECRETARY OF TREASURY MORE TEN THAT YOU, THIS IS 1944, BY NOW TWO,-THIRDS, THREE-TURTLE OF EUROPE'S JEWS HAVE BEEN MURDERED, OKAY?

THE TREASURY DEPARTMENT HAD A REPORT ON THE OBSTRUCTION OF THE STATE DEPARTMENT.

MORE TAN ABOUT FHAU ON A SUBJECT DAY WENT TO THE HITE HOUSE TO SEE FDR AND PRESENTED HIM WITH THIS REPORT.

IT WAS CALLED THE REPORT ON THE ACQUIESCENCE OF THIS GOVERNMENT AND THE MURDER OF EUROPE'S JEWS.

WITHIN DAYS, FDR ESTABLISHED THE WAR REFUGEE BOARD Y EXECUTIVE ACTION.

THE WAR ARE EFFIGY BOARD FINISHED THE MISSION TO BUDDHA BEST, THAT SAVED THOUSANDS OF HUNGARIAN JEWS.

AN EXAMPLE, WHEN THE MIND WAS PUT TO IT AND RESOURCES WERE APPLIED, BETTER THINGS COULD HAVE HAPPENED.

>> Cathy: BUT PRIOR TO THAT, SOUNDS LIKE AMERICA SAT ON ITS HANDS BECAUSE IT WAS IN THE 1930s, WE WERE PRETTY ISOLATIONIST COUNTRY.

>> ANTI-SEM TEST IM AS YOU SUGGEST, ISOLATIONISM, XENOPHOBIA, RACISM, ALL WERE CHARACTERIST Y OF AMERICAN SOCIETY AT THAT TIME.

INDEED, THE FDR ADMINISTRATION WAS CONCERNED ABOUT REMARKABLE RATES OF ANTI-SEM TEST IM IN THIS COUNTRY.

M DOCUMENTARY WILL DISCUSS FDR MAKING A POLITICAL CALCULATION, LAND-LEASE, EXTENSION OF THE DRAFT, THE TRADE OF AMERICAN DESTROYERS FOR BRITISH BASES, ALL OF WHICH REQUIRED A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF POLITICAL CAPITOL.

HE WAS NOT WILLING TO SUBORDINATE THOSE GOALS WHICH WERE INDEED VERY IMPORTANT FOR STRENGTHENING THE UNITED STATES IN THE RUN UP TO WORLD WAR II, TO HELP JEWS.

>> Eric: JUST TO REFLECT ON THE MOOD OF THE COUNTRY AND WE CAN TAKE IT RIGHT TO MINNEAPOLIS, I THINK IT WAS ONE OF THE MOST ANTI-SUBMIT PARTICULAR TOWNS IN THE COUNTRY, WASN'T IT AND I GUESS HUBERT HUMPHREY AS MAYOR SUPPOSEDLY IMPROVED THE SITUATION?

>> THAT WAS TRUE.

THIS IS DURING THE WAR, ANTI-SEPTEMBER TIS HIM PEAKED DURING THE WAR FOUND THAT 75% OF THE OPULATION WOULD HAVE SUPPORTED AN ACTION AGAINST THE JEWS.

BUT I ALSO HAVE TO SAY AND I THINK IF TWO THOUGHTS CAN OCCUPY YOUR MIND AT THE SAME TIME, THIS IS IMPORTANT, YOU KNOW, 16 MILLION AMERICANS WERE UNDER ARMS, WOMEN AND MEN, IN WORLD WAR II.

WITHOUT THE ARSENAL OF DEMOCRACY, RIGHT, THE WAR, WHO KNOWS HOW THE WAR WOULD HAVE GONE.

AMERICAN LEADERSHIP, AMERICAN MEN, AMERICAN WOMEN, AMERICAN INDUSTRY, IN A WAY ULTIMATELY ENDED THE HOME CAUSE WITH THE ADDITION OF THE ALLEYS ECAUSE GERMANY HAD TO BE DEFEATED AND DESTROYED.

SO IT'S REALLY A CONUNDRUM.

ON ONE HAND, WHAT MORE COULD OUR NATION HAVE DONE TO DEFEAT THE NAZIS.

ON THE OTHER HAND, THERE WAS TREMENDOUSLY MUCH MORE THIS NATION COULD HAVE DONE TO GO RESCUE THE EWS.

>> Cathy: WHAT DO YOU FOLKS WANT TO COME AWAY WITH WHEN THEY SEE THE FILM?

>> THE QUESTIONS, THE ACTIONS, THE POST-COLON HEADLINE IS RECKONING WITH OUR PAST, AND IT IS, THERE ARE DIFFICULT QUESTIONS AS WELL AS APPLYING IT TO CURRENT SITUATIONS, TOO, HOW -- AS WAS SAID, HOW CAN WE SUMMON OUR BETTER ANGELS FOR OUR ITUATION.

WE FACE TEMPORARY ISSUES, TOO, AND I WOULD IMAGINE IF YOU WERE TO SOMEHOW TALK TO THE SURVIVORS OF THE HOME CAUSE, WHICH WE DO, YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD LIKE OUR COUNTRY TO BE RESPONSIVE, TO BE HELPFUL TO PEOPLE WHO ARE SEEKING OR SEEKING ASYLUM OR SEEKING AN ESCAPE FROM DANGEROUS SITUATIONS.

>> Cathy: COULD MORE JEWS HAVE BEEN SAVED HAD AMERICA INTERVENED FASTER?

>> INDEED.

I MEAN, LOOK AT IT THIS WAY, HERE WE ARE AT THE DAWN OF THE AMERICAN SENTRY AS HENRY LEWIS WOULD HAVE IT, RIGHT?

THE UNITED STATES THEY COULDN'T GET A HEARING TO ADMIT 10,000 JEWISH GERMAN AND AUSTRIAN CHILDREN IN 1939 WHEN THE ROGERS -- WAGNER ROGERS REFUGEE ACT, RIGHT?

THAT SAID, NO COUNTRY TOOK N MORE GERMAN AND AUSTRIAN JEWS THAN THE UNITED STATES BUT NOT NEARLY AS MANY S WE COULD HAVE, REFUGEE QUOTAS FOR IMMIGRATION PLAYED A LARGE ROLE.

>> Eric: WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS OF THE RECURRING REFERENCES TO HITLER AND NAZIS WHEN IT OMES UP IN POLITICAL DISCUSSION IN THIS COUNTRY?

>> IT'S SOMETHING WHERE WE HAVE TO BE SO CAREFUL.

YOU KNOW, THESE CHARACTERIZATIONS ARE SO INACCURATE, SO WRONG, I THINK WE ALL OWE IT TO PEOPLE WHO SURVIVED THE HOLOCAUST, VICTIMS OF THE HOLOCAUST, ALL THAT HAPPENED -- NOT TO MAKE WHAT I HAVE TO SAY IS INCORRECT OR IF NOT OUTRAGEOUS COMPARISONS.

IT'S PART OF THE DISCOURSE OF OUR COUNTRY IN A DEMOCRACY IS ONLY AS HEALTHY AS ITS DISCOURSE THAT WE REALLY NEED TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT DRAWING COMPARISONS TO THE HOLOCAUST.

>> Cathy: CAN YOU -- ARE THERE COMPARISONS BETWEEN RISING HATE CRIME NOW AND WHAT WAS HAPPENING THEN?

I MEAN, DO YOU SEE TIES AT ALL?

>> I'M VERY CAREFUL THERE, CATHY.

>> Cathy: YEAH.

>> ONE THING I HAVE PROFOUND CONFIDENCE IN OUR DEMOCRACY NO MATTER IF IT'S STRUGGLED -- WE'RE NOT [INDISCERNIBLE] RIGHT NOW BUT I WILL SAY THE FOLLOWING, I WILL SAY THE FOLLOWING, AND THIS IS CONCERNING, AND AGAIN MAYBE THIS IS [INDISCERNIBLE] TOO, THAT MORE AND MORE PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO AT LEAST ENTERTAIN THE NOTION THAT POLITICAL VIOLENCE IS PERHAPS ACCEPTABLE AND THERE IS A LOT OF CAVEATS THERE BUT WHAT USED TO BE FRINGE', FRANKIE LEFT OR RIGHT, MAY BE MAKING SLOW IF NOT FASTER PROGRESS TOWARDS A MORE MAINSTREAM ATTITUDE AROUND THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO WATCH.

THE UNITED TATES IS NOT GERMANY BUT WHAT BROUGHT DOWN THE REPUBLIC AND THAT WAS VIOLENCE BETWEEN LEFT AND RIGHT AND ALLOWING TYRANNY TO TAKE PLACE BECAUSE OF THE INSTABILITY OF VYMAR.

WE'RE NOT THERE IN ANY WAY, FASHION OR FORM BUT IF THERE IS A LESSON TO BE LEARNED, THAT'S IT.

>> Eric: YOU'VE GIVEN US GOOD CONTEXT FOR THE DOCUMENTARY NEXT WEEK BY KEN BURN.

>> Cathy: GOOD O SEE YOU AGAIN, TOO.

THANK YOU, STEVE.

♪♪ >> ERIC: VIOLINIST JORGA FLEEZANIS DIED THIS WEEK AT THE AGE OF 70.

FOR 20 YEARS, SHE WAS THE BELOVED CONCERTMASTER AT THE MINNESOTA ORCHESTRA.

SHE WAS THE FIRST WOMAN EVER TO HOLD THAT POSITION WITH THE SYMPHONY.

BACK IN 1989, FLEEZANIS JOINED ME AND JAN SMABY ON "ALMANAC" TO TALK ABOUT HER NEW JOB.

IT WAS A LIVELY CONVERSATION THAT STARTED WITH AN EXPLANATION OF HOW MUCH IMPACT A CONCERTMASTER CAN HAVE ON THE SOUND OF AN ORCHESTRA.

>> AS FAR AS THE SOUND AND THE EFFECT OF THE SOUPED THAT ONE COVER ON THE ORCHESTRA, IT'S -- IT CAN BE FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT.

I THINK THE WAY YOU CHOOSE TO GET THE ORCHESTRA GOING, GET THE STRINGS GOING AND THE WAY THEY USE THE BOW HAS A LOT TO DO WITH IT.

EITHER YOU'RE SOMEONE WHO USES A SORT OF CONSERVATIVE AMOUNT OF BOW OR SOMEONE WHO US WHYS A TREMENDOUS MOUNT.

>> WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE OF THE SOUND IF I'M GOING AND SOMEBODY GOES LIKE THIS OR SOMEBODY GOES LIKE THIS, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE?

>> YOU LOOK A LOT MORE ACTIVE WHEN YOU DO THE LATTER GESTURE AND THAT'S PART OF WHAT GENERATES PHYSICAL KINETIC ENERGY ON STAGE WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT IS A FASCINATING SUBJECT.

I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT HAPPENS BUT WE'RE ALL HIGHLY SENSITIVE HUMAN BEINGS ON THAT STAGE AND TRAINED TO BE RECEPTIVE.

>> I HAVE TO ASK THIS.

IS THE CONCERTMASTER ALWAYS A VIOLINIST AND IF SO, IS THAT STEEPED IN TRADITION?

>> YEAH.

YES IS THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION.

>> JAN: ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT.

>> Eric: WAS THERE SEXISM IN THE ORCHESTRA BUSINESS?

>> WELL, THERE IS A GOOD QUESTION.

I THINK IT HASN'T BEEN ALTOGETHER ANDCOVER THAT THE WOMAN HAS NOT BEEN IN THIS CHAIR FOR ALMOST TRADITIONALLY.

IN FACT, THERE ARE CERTAIN ORCHESTRAS IN EUROPE, THE VIENNA PHILHARMONIC THAT DOESN'T HAVE A SINGLE WOMAN IN ITS RANKS.

>> HOW CAN THAT BE?

>> THERE WERE' TRADITION AND TRADITION IS MUCH HEAVIER AND IMPORTANT TO THEM THAN ANYTHING CONCERNING SOCIAL CHANGE AND EQUALITY, AND IT'S VERY -- FOR SOME OF US VERY IRATE TO STILL SEE THAT HAPPENING.

WHEN I JOINED THE CHICAGO SYMPHONY AS A 23-YEAR-OLD, I WAS ONE OF MAYBE TEN OR 11 WOMEN IN THE ORCHESTRA AND ANOW YOU CAN LOOK AT THE SAN FRANCISCO SYMPHONY WHERE I RECENTLY CAME FROM, St. LOUIS SYMPHONY AND THERE CAN BE UPWARDS OF 30, 40 WOMEN WHICH IS ALMOST HALF THE COMPLEMENT.

♪♪ >> WHAT DO AN OCTOGENARIAN FROM CALIFORNIA AND A NINE-YEAR TOW-HEAD FROM LONDON HAVE IN COMMON?

BOTH OF THEM ARE THIRD IN THEIR RESPECTIVE LINES OF SUCCESSION.

YES, NANCY PELOSI, THE SPEAKER OF THE U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, WOULD BECOME PRESIDENT IF ANYTHING EVER HAPPENED TO JOE BIDEN AND KAMALA HARRIS SIMULTANEOUSLY.

SIMILARLY, IF ENGLAND'S NEW KING CHARLES AND WILLIAM, PRINCE OF WALES, MET A DUAL, UNTIMELY END, THE CROWN WOULD AUTOMATICALLY, NO QUESTIONS ASKED, SIT ON THE TINY HEAD OF YOUNG PRINCE GEORGE.

THERE'S A METAPHOR THERE SOMEPLACE BUT I CAN'T QUITE FIGURE OUT WHAT IT IS.

IN ONE COUNTRY, THE POPULACE IS JUST TWO HEARTBEATS AWAY FROM BEING LED BY SOMEONE WHO LIKES CHOCOLATE ICE CREAM FOR BREAKFAST.

IN THE OTHER, THE CEASING OF TWO DIFFERENT HEARTBEATS WOULD PUT IN POWER SOMEONE WHO'S CONTINUING TO STUDY THE NUANCES OF GRAMMAR.

I'LL LET YOU FIGURE OUT WHICH IS WHICH.

I DON'T WANT TO WISH BAD LUCK ON ANYONE, OF COURSE, BUT, JUST HYPOTHETICALLY, I ASK YOU TO IMAGINE THE FIRST STATE DINNER BETWEEN PRESIDENT PELOSI AND KING GEORGE, VII.

FIRST OF ALL, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE MORE LIKELY TO BE A STATE LUNCH, EARLY BEDTIMES AND ALL.

SECOND, CONSIDERING THAT PELOSI WAS 12 WHEN QUEEN ELIZABETH BEGAN HER REIGN, PERHAPS SHE COULD FAVOR THE YOUNG MONARCH WITH MEMORIES OF HIS GREAT-GREAT-GRANDFATHER AND NAMESAKE GEORGE, VI.

AS CALIFORNIA'S OWN ALPHABET ROCKERS JAM IN THE BACKGROUND, THE KING RISES FROM HIS BOOSTER SEAT.

A HUSH FALLS OVER THE ROOM.

THE KING LIFTS A GLASS OF VINTAGE GRAPE JUICE.

AND HE OFFERS A TOAST TO THEIR COMMON STATUS AS BARRIER-BREAKERS, THE FIRST FEMALE AMERICAN PRESIDENT.

THE FIRST BRITISH MONARCH TO UNLOCK 3100 COINS IN MARIO KART.

TALK ABOUT A SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP.

[Applause] ♪♪ >> CATHY: RECENTLY, ST. PAUL ARTIST TA-COUMBA AIKEN WON A PRESTIGIOUS GUGGENHEIM ARTS FELLOWSHIP.

THE PAINTER, SCULPTOR AND MURALIST HAS LONG BEEN AFFECTIONATELY KNOWN AS THE MAYOR OF LOWERTOWN.

HE'S LIVED IN THAT ST. PAUL ARTS COMMUNITY FOR DECADES.

TPT'S MAIREN MACKLESS RECENTLY TALKED TO AIKIN ABOUT HOW HE APPROACHES HIS ART.

IT WAS A GREAT CONVERSATION.

>> I REALLY LOVE TO PAINT.

I PAINT ALL THE TIME.

I HAVE TO PAINT.

>> MY NAME IS TAKE COUPLE AAIKIN, I'M AN ARTIST.

I CAN CHOOSE TO DO EVERY OTHER ONE.

I DO HAVE RULES, KIND OF KNOWN AS THE MAYOR OF LOWERTOWN BUT I'M RESIGNING.

SOMEONE ELSE CAN TAKE IT OVER, I'VE BEEN HERE 36 YEARS.

I WANT TO SEE AFRICAN AMERICANS IN THE ART WORK, AND IN THE '60s AND '70s, YOU HAVEN'T GETTING IT.

NOW THIS PIECE OVER HERE, THAT WAS DONE IN 1976.

I THINK I'VE CALLED IT SHALT.

I DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS GOING TO BE THERE, MADE ANOTHER LINE, MADE ANOTHER LINE AND -- PUT THIS THING JUST CAME OUT AND IT WAS, LIKE, I HAVE TO TAKE SOMETHING AND I WAS ASKED TO DO A COVER OF A BLACK ANTHOLOGY AND IT WAS CALLED BLUE VISIONS AND I LOOKED AT THIS AND SAID, HEY, WANT TO GO ON A NEW JOURNEY?

IT WAS LIKE, I'VE BEEN STANDING HERE, HAVEN'T I?

AFTER IT GOT PUBLISHED, POETS AND WRITERS THAT WERE IN THE BOOK KEPT SAYING THAT PIECE SPOKE TO THEIR WORLD.

I WAS HONORED THAT PEOPLE THOUGHT THAT THE VOICE THAT WAS COMING OUT OF THIS, SHOUTING, WAS ALSO TALKING ABOUT BEING HOMELESS OR, YOU KNOW, A SINGLE-PARENT MOM.

EVERYTHING IN THE PAINTING IS SPEAKING AND ADDRESSING MAYBE TO ONE THING, TO ONE ERSON.

AND THIS IS SQUARED -- IF YOU LOOK UP AT THE CORNER, THAT'S AN AREA THAT'S TAPED, THAT WE PULL OFF THE TAPE, YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT I'M PAINTING HERE AND WHAT'S GOING ON UP THERE.

IT'S LIKE COMBINING WORLDS, LIKE COMBINING STORIES OR COMBINING TIME, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES I SAY I'M A TIME-TRAVELER.

I DON'T MEAN GET IN A MACHINE, WHO NEEDS A INN ANYWAY NOWADAYS.

WE'LL SEE.

MAKE IT GO THIS WAY.

IT GOES THIS WAY THIS TIME.

WELL, I'VE BEEN FORTUNATE AFTER EIGHT TRIES OR INE TRIES TO RECEIVE OF THE GUGGENHEIM FELLOWSHIP, VISUALIZED FELLOWSHIP.

NINE YEARS.

I THOUGHT I WAS THE SUSAN LUCCI OF THE GUGGENHEIM AND THEY TOLD ME THERE WAS ONE SOMEONE THAT JUST GOT ONE THAT APPLIED 44 TIMES.

I'VE ALWAYS WANTED TO DO A THEME ABOUT SOMETHING MY MOTHER TOLD ME ON HER DEATH BED WAS THAT WE WERE DESCENDED OF THE GIANTS, ROYAL FAMILY, DESCENDED FROM GIANTS, BEING SOUGHT AFTER AND I REALIZED THAT MY GRANDFATHER WAS 7'2".

MY MOTHER WAS -- MY DAD WAS 5'8", SO HE WAS THE SHORT ONE BUT HE WAS BIGGER THAN LIFE.

THE IRONY FOR DOING WHAT I'VE DONE, YOU DON'T GIVE UP.

IF ANYTHING HAS ANY MESSAGE THAT ANY OF THIS, THAT YOU STICK WITH IT AND DON'T LET ANYTHING TEAR YOU DOWN.

I JUST GOT THIS LETTER AND IT PRESENT' MUCH SAYS, YOU GOT IT, YOU ARE T AND IT PRESENTS IT TO ANYBODY.

IT IS THE REFERENCE LETTER OF ALL REFERENCE LETTERS.

THEY SAY PRESENT IT.

WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE?

GUGGENHEIM FELLOW?

[Laughter] OKAY.

OKAY.

♪♪ >> ERIC: THE VIKES STOMPED THE PACK ON SUNDAY.

THE TWINS ARE FIGHTING FOR THEIR PLAYOFF LIFE.

MEANWHILE, LINDSAY WHALEN WALTZED INTO THE HALL OF FAME.

LET'S TEE UP THESE SPORTY TOPICS WITH LARRY FITZGERALD, SENIOR.

HE'S A VETERAN SPORTSCASTER WHO MAKES MONTHLY VISITS TO "ALMANAC," AND DOES RADIO WORK FOR THE NATIONAL PROGRAMMING NETWORK.

VIKINGS THAT GOOD OR THE PACKERS THAT BAD?

>> VIKINGS ARE GOOD, LEGITIMATELY ARE, THEY'VE HEAD COACH WHO WON THE SUPER BOWL LAST YEAR AS THE OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR, GOT A BLUE PRINT FOR HOW TO GET IT DONE.

YOU HAVE TO HAVE A WIDE RECEIVER WHO'S ABSOLUTELY UNSTOPPABLE AND YOU GOT TO HAVE A DEFENSE THAT PUTS PRESSURE ON THE QUARTERBACK AND YOU GOT TO STOP THE RUN, AND THEY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO PROVE THAT THEY CAN DO ALL THREE OF THOSE THINGS, AT LEAST THEY DID AGAINST GREEN BAY.

GREEN BAY CAME IN HERE THINKING THEY WERE GOING TO RUN IT RIGHT DOWN THEIR THROAT AND LET AARON RODGERS GO DEEP, THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO DO EITHER ONE OF THEM.

SO THEY'LL CARRY THAT MOMENTUM INTO THE PHILADELPHIA GAME ON MONDAY.

>> Cathy: HOW BAD IS THIS PHILADELPHIA CROWD THAT I KEEP HEARING ABOUT?

ARE THEY THAT BAD?

>> THEY ARE.

WHEN VIKING FANS GO TO PHILADELPHIA, THE LAST THING YOU DO IS GO AND PUT, YOU KNOW, A VIKING JERSEY ON ROCKY.

YOU DON'T DO THAT, OKAY?

PARTICULARLY WHEN YOU'RE PLANNING FOR THE CHAMPIONSHIP.

YOU DON'T WANT TO GET THEM RILED UP SO THAT'S WHAT THEY DID BACK IN 2018 AND THE EAGLES PAID -- I MEAN, THEY PUT A LOT OF PAIN ON MINNESOTA, BEATING THEM 378-7 AND IT WAS THE LAST SHOT AT A CHAMPIONSHIP FOR MINNESOTA, THE VIKINGS, BECAUSE HEY HAVEN'T BEEN CLOSE SINCE AND WE'LL SEE IF THEY CAN START ON SOMETHING BIG ON MONDAY NIGHT.

>> Eric: HOW ABOUT LINDSEY WHALEN, WHAT A NICE HONOR.

>> WHAT A GREAT PLAYER, WATCHING HER PLAY WITH THE GOPHERS, WOW, WHAT A BREATH OF FRESH AIR.

SHE WAS SUCH A TREMENDOUS COMPETITOR, HAD REAT TALENT AND AS JUST A LEADER ON THE FLOOR, EVEN THOUGH SHE WAS SO YOUNG, AND TO CARRY THEM LIKE SHE DID WAS ONE OF HE GREAT HONORS FOR ME AS A JOURNALIST TO SEE A PLAYER THAT YOUNG JUST LIFT HE PROGRAM WHERE IT HAD NEVER BEEN.

IT WAS JUST INCREDIBLE AND SHE'S CERTAINLY DESERVING OF BEING A HALL OF FAMER.

>> Cathy: SAY, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE TWINS.

I'M KIND OF WORRIED ABOUT THEM, KIND OF A MAKE-OR-BREAK SERIES WITH CLEVELAND.

>> MAKE OR BREAK, THAT'S A GOOD ANALOGY.

THEY'VE PLAYED THEM 14 TIMES, CLEVELAND'S WON 9 BUT THE LAST I HEARD THE TWINS ARE UP 3-NOTHING, SO THEY KNOW THEY PLAYING THEM FIVE GAMES IN CLEVELAND, THEY WOULD NOT BE FAVORED IN ALL THAT.

THEY KNOW THEY GOT TO TAKE FOUR GAMES OUT OF FIVE BECAUSE THREE GETS THEM TO THREE GAMES.

I HOPE THEY STILL GOT 15 LEFT SO THEY GOT A LOT OF WORK BUT IT'S RIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF THEM.

THE PROBLEM IS, THEY DON'T HAVE BYRON BUXTON, OR PALANKO AND LUIS REYES IS HURT.

THOSE ARE THREE ALL-STAR PLAYERS.

>> Eric: P.J.

FLECK TO NEBRASKA?

>> NO.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS ABOUT MINNESOTA, WHENEVER WE AVE A FLAVOR OF THE MONTH OR THE YEAR OR THE DAY AND THEY'RE DOING GREAT, ALL OF A SUDDEN THERE COMES A STORY ABOUT SOMEBODY'S TRYING TO TAKE EMMA WAY FROM US.

>> Eric: WE'RE TRYING TO PROTECT OURSELVES.

>> THEY WON'T LET HIM GET OUT OF HERE, NOT WHEN YOU'RE BEATING PEOPLE 100 TO 10 IN TWO GAMES AND YOU'RE FAVORED BY 27 AGAINST THE BUFFALOES TOMORROW, SO ANYBODY BETTING ON THE GOPHERS HAS BEEN GOING TO THE BANK.

>> Eric: ON A MORE SERIOUS NOTE, ANTHONY EDWARDS, WILL HE BE SUSPENDED OR FINED FOR THE HOMOPHOBIC REMARKS THAT SHOWED UP ON THE MEDIA?

>> I THINK A FINE IS COMING HIS WAY, THAT'S WHAT THE N.B.A.

HAS DONE WITH PREVIOUS SITUATIONS WITH DURANT AND YOGICH WHO WAS THE MVP.

WHEN YOU STEP OUT OF LINE, SAY SOMETHING STUPID, YOU'RE GOING TO GET A PENALTY AND HAVE TO PAY A PRICE FOR IT SO THE ORGANIZATION FOR THE SECOND YEAR IN A ROW BEFORE THEY GET READY TO GO IN THE SEASON, LAST YEAR WAS THE GENERAL MANAGER HAVING AN AFFAIR WITH ONE OF THE WOMEN THAT WORKED FOR THE TEAM.

HE GOT FIRED SO HERE THEY EVER THIS HANGING OVER THEM GOING INTO THE SEASON WHEN THEY THINK THEY'RE GOING TO GO BACK TO TWIN TOWERS AND HAVE A TEAM THAT MAYBE CAN MAKE MINNESOTA PROUD.

>> Cathy: WHAT DO YOU THINK OF YOUR SON BEING AT ESPN?

>> I'M HAPPY ABOUT IT.

YOU KNOW, I'VE ALWAYS WANTED TO SEE IF HE COULD, YOU KNOW, FOLLOW IN MY FOOTSTEPS IN A WAY, YOU KNOW, AND HE'S DONE THAT.

I MEAN, HE -- I WAS A TWO-TIME ALL-AMERICAN IN HIGH SCHOOL, WENT ABOUT THE -- THEY RETIRED MY NUMBER AT FINGER HIGH SCHOOL AND HE BLEW THAT AWAY, YOU KNOW.

[Laughter] IN COLLEGE.

AND OBVIOUSLY IN THE PROS SO NOW HE'S STEPPED INTO THIS BUSINESS AND HE'S BEEN DOING A REAL GOOD JOB.

HE WORKS WITH TOM BRADY AND JIM GRAY ON SIRIUS XM MONDAY NIGHTS AND NOW DOING A TV DEAL.

>> Cathy: WHAT'S YOUR ADVICE TO HIM, BY THE WAY?

>> JUST ENJOY YOURSELF, DO YOUR HOMEWORK, BE CAREFUL TO MAKE SURE YOU ONLY ANSWER THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU'RE ASKED AND SO IF YOU DO THAT AND AYOU DO A GOOD JOB OF THAT, YOU CAN LAST A LONG TIME.

>> Eric: ALL OF THAT AS SERVED YOU WELL.

[Laughter] >> Eric: LARRY TITTLE GELD, JUNIOR.

THANKS, FITZY.

>> Cathy: THANKS, FITZY.

>> THANK YOU.

♪ >> CATHY: INFLATION IS STILL UP, THOUGH GAS PRICES ARE DOWN.

REPUBLICANS ARE TALKING ABOUT CRIME WHILE DEMOCRATS ARE FOCUSED ON ABORTION RIGHTS.

NATIONAL POLLING SHOWS THAT AMERICANS REMAIN STRONGLY POLARIZED AS THE MIDTERM ELECTIONS APPROACH.

LET'S SEE HOW THIS PLAYS OUT ON THE GROUND HERE IN MINNESOTA.

WE ARE NOW JOINED BY LAWYER AND DFL ACTIVIST ABOU AMARA.

HERE TOO, REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST NOAH ROUEN.

WELCOME BACK TO BOTH OF YOU.

GOOD TO SEE YOU BOTH.

SAY, NO OH, THAT POLL FROM KSTP IN THE GOVERNOR'S RACE ESPECIALLY, DO YOU THINK THAT'S AN OUTLIER?

>> I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S AN OUTLIER, A QUICK SNAPSHOT, KNOW THERE IS A POLL COMING OUT THIS WEEKEND, I THINK YOU'LL SEE JENSEN REALLY CLOSING THAT GAP AS HE GETS TO, YOU KNOW, HAS BEEN NOW ON THE AIR AND BEING ABLE TO TAKE HIS MESSAGE TO VOTERS BUT I THINK, YOU TALKED ABOUT THE STATE AWED TO BE'S RACE AND THE A.G. RAISE THAT WERE A LOT CLOSER, I THINK THOSE WERE MORE ACCURATE.

I THINK IT'S A CLOSE RACE BETWEEN THE REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS.

I THINK JENSEN WILL CLOSE THE GAP AS PEOPLE GET TO KNOW HIM A BIT MORE.

>> Eric: THIS SHOULD BE A POLITICAL -- A REPUBLICAN YEAR, IS IT GOING TO BE?

>> I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE.

I THINK THERE ARE TWO DYNAMICS HAPPENING.

YOU HAVE MORE THAN EVER A POLARIZED ELECTORATE, 40% DEMOCRAT AND 40% REPUBLICAN, AND BEFORE I THINK THERE WERE MORE PERSUADALITIES.

THE SECOND PART IS DOBBS, THE SUPREME COURT.

THAT HAS ELECTRIFIED WOMEN IN PARTICULAR AND IF YOU GO INTO THE CROSS TAPS, KEITH ELSE SON IS UP 18 POINTS WITH WOMEN.

YOU LOOK AT TIM WALZ, HE'S WINNING OVER 20 POINTS WITH WOMEN AND YOU CAN'T WIN RACES STATEWIDE AS REPUBLICANS WHEN YOU'RE LOSING WOMEN BY THAT LARGE A MARRIAGE INCH.

SO I DON'T THINK IT'S A SNAPSHOT, I THINK IT'S REPRESENTATIVE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW.

>> I THINK THERE ARE A COUPLE OTHER ISSUES N THOSE POLLS AND I THINK, WHY UN, REPUBLICANS WERE WAY AHEAD, I MEAN, THE GENERIC BALLOT HAD THEM UP ABOUT 5, 8 POINTS A IF I MONTHS AGO BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE REPORTS HISTORICALLY, THEY'RE GOING TO DO WELL.

I THINK SPECIFICALLY IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE LEGISLATURE, I THINK THE HOUSE, YOU KNOW, WILL PICK UMM EIGHT TO TEN SEATS, THAT GIFTS THEM THE MAJORITY.

I THINK THE SENATE'S IN A GREAT SPOT TO PICK UP THE MAJORITY AND REPUBLICANS HAVE HIS TORE COLLIDE HAD A CHALLENGE WINNING STATEWIDE RACES BUT I THINK WE DO HAVE AT LEAST ESPECIALLY IN THE DOWN-BALLOT RACES A GOOD CHANCE TO WIN T LEAST ONE IF NOT TWO OF THOSE RACES.

>> Eric: WE ALKED ABOUT SCOTT JENSEN'S EVOLUTION ON ABORTION WHERE HE WAS A TOTAL PRO LIFE WARRIOR, GOING TO GET RID OF BORINGS AND NOW HE SAID IT'S NOT N ISSUE AND DOESN'T PLAN TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.

BUT WALZ HAS DONE THE SAME THING ON CRIME, HE'S CHANGED HIS OUTLOOK ON THAT ISSUE.

>> I DON'T THINK HE'S CHANGED IT, I THINK WE'VE GONE THROUGH SOME SERIOUS THINGS OVER THE PAST FOUR YEARS AND YOU'VE SEEN HIM RISE TO THE OCCASION.

WERE THERE THINGS HAPPENING IN MANAGER AROUND RIOTS AND PROTESTS, ABSOLUTELY AND YOU SAY HIS RESPONSE BY PULLING N IT IS MARKED GUARD.

EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS THAT REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS TAKE IT SERIOUS BUT ON THE ISSUE OF CHOICE, THERE IS A CLEAR CONTRAST THAT SCOTT JENSEN HAS SAID A COUPLE MONTHS AGO, IF I WOULD WERE UP TO HIM IN HIS MINNESOTA, HE WOULD BAN ABORTION WITHOUT EXCEPTIONS FOR RAPE OR INCEST AND HE CAN'T TRY TO WALK THAT BACK NOW BECAUSE HE REALIZES IT'S EXTREMELY UNPOPULAR WITH MINNESOTANS.

>> I THINK THIS IS THE DEMOCRAT TALKING POINTS AND STRATEGY, THEY DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE ISSUES THAT MATTER.

IF YOU OOK BACK TO THE -- >> ARE YOU SAYING ABORTION DOESN'T MATTER?

>> I THINK IT'S NOT THE PRIMARY ISSUE THAT PEOPLE ARE FOCUSED ON, I THINK THEY'RE FRYING TO PUT FOOD OWNED TABLE, GAS IN THEIR CAR AND TRYING TO BE SAFE WHEN THEY GO OUT, YOU KNOW, GO OUT FOR DINNER OR SAFE IN THEIR COMMUNITIES AND I THINK THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT EDUCATION.

NONE OF THOSE ISSUES ARE THINGS THAT ARE FAVORABLE FOR DEMOCRATS IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT'S HAPPENED.

CRIME IS UMM 73, 64% SINCE WALZ EAST TAKEN OFFICE.

REPUBLICAN HAVE BEEN CALLING FOR THE STATE PATROL TO BE HELPFUL IN MINNEAPOLIS FOR OVER A YEAR, HE FINALLY COMES AROUND IN JUNE AS HE HAS THIS ELECTION YEAR EVOLUTION THAT, HEY, MAYBE WE OUGHT TO DO SOMETHING ON CRIME WHEN IT'S UP 75%, URDERS ARE UP AND, YOU KNOW, WHAT, FOUR, SIX, EIGHT -- LOSE COUNT OF HOW MANY PEOPLE GOT SHOT IN MINNEAPOLIS THIS LAST WEEKEND.

>> Cathy: YOU MENTIONED THERE ARE THE ISSUES THAT JENSEN IS TALKING ABOUT, THAT OTHER PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT, INFLATION, PUTTING FOODS ON THE TABLE, GAS PRICES.

BUT JENSEN ISN'T REALLY TALKING ABOUT THAT.

HIS FIRST AD WAS ABOUT -- NOT ABORTION BUT HAVE NOT ABORTION AND HE DOESN'T SEEM TO HAVE -- HE'S REALLY NOT ON MESSAGE.

>> I THINK IT'S GETTING THERE, IF YOU LOOK T WHAT THE AD IS, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE CARE ABOUT.

I MEAN, I THINK PEOPLE DO CARE ABOUT CRIME, THEY CARE ABOUT SAFE STREETS, THEY CARE ABOUT EDUCATION, THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, TEST SCORES HAVE GONE DOWN, WE'RE ONE OF THE WORST STATES EDUCATION-WISE AND WE HAVE A TEACHER AS GOVERNOR, AND PEOPLE NEEDED TO HEAR THAT AND UNDERSTAND THAT.

I THINK THAT'S GOING TO REST OH NATURE IN THE SUBURBS.

I THINK THE CRIME ISSUE IS GOING TO REST NATURE IN THE SUBURBS AND THAT'S GOING TO BE THE DIFFERENCE ON THESE STATEWIDE RACES AND THE MAJORITY IN THE LEGISLATURE LIKE I TALKED ABOUT.

>> IS THE MONEY GOING TO MATTER?

>> IT ABSOLUTELY MATTERS AND GOVERNOR WALZ SUP 10 TO ONE AND YOU'VE SEEN OVER THE PAST TWO MONTHS THAT THE GOVERNOR'S CAMPAIGN AND ALLIES HAVE BEEN DEFINING TO MAKE SURE MINNESOTANS UNDERSTAND WHAT SCOTT JENSEN GOVERNORSHIP WOULD MEAN FOR MINNESOTA.

TO YOUR POINT ABOUT CRIMINAL SIDE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE KSTP POLLS, GOVERNOR WALZ IS UNON THE ISSUE OF CRIME OVER SCOTT JENSEN.

SO MINNESOTANS AREN'T PERSUADED WHETHER IT BE CRIME OR ABORTION OR EDUCATION, THEY UNDERSTAND THAT TIM WALZ IS THE CHOICE FOR MINNESOTANS MOVING FORWARD.

>> Cathy: HOW IMPORTANT WILL THE DEBATES BE?

>> WELL, I THINK THEY'RE HUGE.

I MEAN, I THINK -- I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT CONTRAST IN -- AND BE ABLE TO SHARE THOSE VISIONS, THE CONTRASTING VISIONS AND I THINK WHEN THAT HAPPENS, JENSEN'S NUMBERS MOVER UP.

HE DID REALLY WELL AT THAT FARM FEST DEBATE AND AFTER THE ONE DEBATE ALL OF A SUDDEN WALZ IS NOWHERE TO BE FOUND.

MAYBE THAT'S A STRATEGY THAT THE DEMOCRATS THINK, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN HIDE BEHIND THE 10 TO 1 MONEY ADVANTAGE IN GROUPS LIKE ALLIANCE FOR A BETTER MINNESOTA AND TEACHERS' UNIONS AND OTHERS, THEN WE DO NOT A HAVE TO BE IN FRONT OF MINNESOTA.

I HOPE WE CAN HAVE A COUPLE OF ROBUST DEBATES HERE AND OTHERS AND BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT -- SHARE THOSE CONTRASTING VISIONS.

I THINK THAT HELPS OUR CANDIDATES.

>> YOU'VE SEEN DEBATES AT FARM FEST, YOU'LL SEE DEBATES, THE GOVERNOR IS NOT HIDING FROM ANYBODY, HE'S TALKING TO MINNESOTANS.

THAT'S WHAT REHABILITATION ARE MISSING.

WE HAVE, WHAT, LESS THAN 60 DAYS BEFORE THE ELECTION.

FOR EXAMPLE FOCUSED ON WHAT MINNESOTANS ARE TALK WHY INK ABOUT, NOT GETTING IN THE JULY HAVE SQUABBLING.

WHAT WAS MY POSITION ABOUT A, ABORTION EIGHT MONTHS AGO VERSUS TODAY, HE'S ASKING MINNESOTANS WHAT THEY CARE ABOUT AND HE'S EXPLAINING THIS IS WHAT I'VE DONE FOR THE PAST FOUR YEARS AND I'LL CONTINUE THAT.

>> SO HIS BIGGEST ANNOUNCEMENTS TODAY IS HOW HE'S GOING TO BAN THE COMBUSTIBLE ENGINE AND FOLLOW THE CALIFORNIA CAR STANDARDS.

I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IN MINNESOTA ESPECIALLY GREATER MINNESOTA IS ON BOARD WITH THAT AND THE QUESTION AGAIN THAT WOULD BE NICE IN THE DEBATE IF HE WOULD ACTUALLY ANSWER BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE STUCK WITH BY 2035 HAVING NO GASOLINE-POWERED CARS IN MINNESOTA.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S A TOP ISSUE FOR ANYBODY.

>> Eric: TELL US ABOUT YOUR THOUGHTS ON BIDEN, IS HE A DRAG ON DEMOCRATS?

TRUMP, IS HE A DRAG ON REPUBLICANS OR ARE THEY BENEFITING THE LOWER RACES?

THE TWO PRESIDENTIAL GUYS, WHAT'S THEIR IMPACT IN MINNESOTA?

>> I THINK YOU CAN LOOK AT THE POLLING, JOE BIDEN'S NUMBER ARE UP OVER SIX MONTHS AGO, COMBINATION OF FACTORS -- >> Eric: BUT HE'S DOWN UNDER 50.

>> BUT HIS NUMBERS ARE UP RELATIVE TO WHERE THEY WERE SIX MONTHS AGO AND IF YOU ASK RAMSEY COUNTY, THE BIGGEST CONCERN GOING INTO NOVEMBER IS THAT DONALD TRUMP WILL BE A FACTOR IN THIS ELECTION AND THAT TELLINGS YOU EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT WHO'S LESS POPULAR, DODGED TRUMP IS GOING TO BE A WORSE DRAG ON THE TICKET FOR REPUBLICANS, ESPECIALLY AFTER THE JANUARY 6th COMMITTEE IF HE'S POTENTIALLY IN IT DOD BY THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE.

THOSE ARE CONCERNS OF REPUBLICANS.

DEMOCRATS WILL STAND FIRM.

JOE BIDEN HAS BEEN A STRONG PRESIDENT AND WILL COULD NOT TO DO SO FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS.

>> I THINK NEITHER OF HEM ARE HELPFUL, OBVIOUSLY BIDEN'S NUMBERS HAVE BEEN UP A LITTLE BIT BUT HE SAID WE WOULD BE AT PEAK INFLATION BY MID-SUMMER AND WE JUST GOT THE NUMBERS, CONTINUING TO SEE RECORD-HIGH INFLATION AND FOOD PRICES AND I THINK AS PEOPLE START TO REALIZE THAT HE DOESN'T REALLY HAVE A PLAN FOR THAT, THAT BECOMES A LITTLE MORE OF A DRAG.

WHEN YOU SAY HIS POLLS NUMBERS ARE UP, HE'S AT 45%.

HE WAS IN THE MOW O.LOG 30s AT ONE POINTS, BELOW WHERE TRUMP WAS.

>> Cathy: HOW MUCH OF A DRAG IS TRUMP?

>> IN CERTAIN PARTS OF THE COUNTRY HE'S HELPFUL AND IN CERTAIN PARTS I THINK HE'S NOT HELPFUL.

IN MINNESOTA HE ISN'T ESPECIALLY POPULAR BUT IN OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY HE IS, AND YOU'VE SEEN HIM HAVE SOME EFFECTS ON THE ELECTIONS IN OTHER STATES AS WELL, AND I THINK THAT'S TRUE OF BIDEN, AS WELL.

>> Eric: I LOOKED AT ONE OF THE TIP SHEETS IT SAID IN THE MINNESOTA LEERING THERE ARE 27 COMPETITIVE SEATS IN THE HOUSE, OUT OF 134 MEMBERS, 27.

AND THEN 20 COMPETITIVE SEATS IN THE SENATE, WHERE THERE ARE 67 MEMBERS.

DOES THAT SOUND ABOUT RIGHT OR -- >> THAT TRACKS WITH WHAT I UNDERSTAND.

GENERALLY THE HOUSE, YOU'RE GOING TO BE EITHER IN -- ESPECIALLY ONCE YOU GET OUTSIDE THE TWIN CITIES, YOU'RE IN SEATS LIKE St.

CLOUD WHERE YOU'VE GOT A HUB ON ONE SIDE OF THE DISTRICT BUT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE DISTRICT, YOU MIGHT NOT HAVE A REGIONAL CENTER OR A CORE.

THAT TYPE OF DISTRICT CAN BE MORE COMPETITIVE FOR REPUBLICANS BUT IN THAT SEAT THAT HAS THE REGIONAL CENTER, LIKE A St.

CLOUD OR A MANKATO OR A DULUTH, DEMOCRATS ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO DO THERE.

SO THE RACES ARE GOING TO COME DOWN TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE DISTRICT.

THAT'S WHY YOU'RE SEEING MORE COMPETITIVE SENATE RACES COMPARED TO THE KIND OF OVERALL NUMBER AS OPPOSED TO THE HOUSE.

>> YOU HAVE A LOT OF -- WITH REDISTRICTING, YOU HAVE A LOT OF HOUSE MEMBERS MOVING TO THE SENATE AND HOUSE MEMBERS RETIRING AND THINGS LIKE THAT SO MAKES IT MORE OMPETITIVE WHEN YOU HAVE THE OPEN SEATS BUT I THINK REPUBLICANS ARE CONTINUING TO MAKE GAINS IN GREATER MINNESOTA, WHEN THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ISSUES AGAIN, THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT.

I MEAN, I'VE HEARD FROM SOME POLITICAL PROGNOSTICATORS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE A CLEAN SWEEP ACROSS GREATER MINNESOTA FOR REPUBLICANS.

I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE TRUE BUT THAT THAT'S REALLY POSSIBLE, ESPECIALLY IN THE IRON RANGE THAT THAT WILL BE COMPLETELY REPUBLICAN AND THAT'S -- IF YOU WOULD ASK ME TWO YEARS AGO, FIVE YEARS GO, I WOULD HAVE SAID THERE'S NO CHANCE BUT THAT'S CERTAINLY IN THE CARDS AND THOSE ARE SOME OF THOSE COMPETITIVE SEATS.

>> Cathy: YOU ON CROWSLY DISAGREE.

>> I DO.

FOR ONE EASON, I THINK THERE ARE STILL STRONG DEMOCRATS ACROSS THE IRON RANGE BUT THE SAME DEMOGRAPHIC IS HAPPENING IN THE SUBURBS.

THAT DEMOCRATS MIGHT WIN THE ENTIRE METRO SUBURBS, EX-URBS, WEST METRO 20 YEARS AGO, THAT WAS SOLIDLY REPUBLICAN TARTED.

JIM RAMSTAD TERRITORY AND NOW THAT IS HELD COMPLETELY BY THE D.F.L.

>> YEAH, AND THERE ARE SOME GREAT RACE ATTENTION OUT THERE, ANDREW MYERS, I THINK CAN WIN THAT SEAT AND SOME REALLY COMPETITIVE SENATE RACES SO THAT'S REALLY, I THINK, OBVIOUSLY WHERE THE MAJORITIES ARE GOING TO BE DECIDED.

>> Cathy: LET'S LOOK AT SOME OF THE CONGRESSIONAL RACES, HOW ABOUT THE SECOND?

>> THAT WILL BE A -- FOR SOMEONE THAT LOVES POLITICS, THAT WILL BE A FUN WANT, THAT WILL HAVE A LOT OF NATIONAL SIGNIFICANCE.

NATIONAL MONEY SO YOU ET TO SEE THAT AND A LOT OF ATTENTION AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, ANGIE CRAIG IS IN A LITTLE BIT OF TROUBLE.

I THINK THAT'S ONE THAT REPUBLICANS CERTAINLY HAVE THEIR EYES ON AND WHEN E HAVE TOM EMMER HERE, CHAIR OF THE HOUSE CAMPAIGN COMMITTEE, HE'S GOING TO THROW HIS RESOURCES ON THAT AND I WOULDN'T WANT TO BE ANGIE CRAIG, I GUESS.

>> I THINK THAT'S THE PERFECT TYPE OF DISTRICT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT CHOICE, SUBURBAN WOMEN ARE GOING TO DECIDE THIS ELECTION AND THAT'S THE TYPE OF DISTRICT WHERE THE IMPACT IS GOING TO BE FELT.

ANGIE CRAIG HAS DONG A FANTASTIC JOCK BUT CHOICE IS GOING TO BE CLEAR, FOR SUBURBAN WOMEN IT'S ABOUT FREEDOM, THAT'S WHAT CHOICE IS ALL ABOUT, TELLING WHAT WOMEN CAN DO WITH THEIR BODIES.

I SUSPECT THAT RACE WON'T BE AS CLOSE AS MANY PEOPLE THINK.

>> Eric: DO WE CARE ABOUT IMMIGRATION ISSUE IN MINNESOTA?

HE HAVE WITH HE A THE GOT PLANE AND THE BUSLOADS GOING NORTH FROM FLORIDA AND TEXAS.

>> I MEAN, I THINK EVERYBODY SHOULD CARE ABOUT T. IT'S A CRISIS ON THE BORDER, IF OU LOOK AT -- I MEAN, I THINK, FOX HAD A NEW DRONE TOY THAT THEY HAD FOOTAGE BUT IT'S HORRIFIC TO WATCH PEOPLE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT CROSSING THIS RIVER AND KNOWING WHO KNOWS WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO GO.

I MEAN, POLITICAL MESSAGING ASIDE F PUTTING IMMIGRANTS IN DIFFERENT SPOTS, I MEAN, THESE ARE REAL PEOPLE, RIGHT, AND SO SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE.

BIDEN HAD SOMETHING IN HIS FIRST DAY OF OFFICE AND THEN TOTALLY DROPPED IT WITH MAJORITIES OF DEMOCRATS IN THE HOUSE AND SENATE.

THEY HAD THEIR OPPORTUNITY AS A GOVERNING MAJORITY TO DO SOMETHING AND THEY DIDN'T AND I THINK THAT'S A SHAME.

>> Eric: 30 SECONDS.

>> IMMIGRATION IS A REAL ISSUE, IT'S NUANCED, IT WON'T BE SOLVED BY LECTION DAY.

YOU'LL SEE SOME POLITICAL STAGING, IF YOU WILL, LIKE YOU SAW IN FLORIDA WITH GOVERNOR DeSANTIS, IT'S NOT FUND MEANT AT ALLLY GOING TO AHE CAN IF THE RESULTS OF THE RACE.

>> Eric: WHAT DOES MID-TERM LOOK LIKE?

>> I THINK WE JUST TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THOSE RACES IN THE SECOND, WHERE I'M SEE A LOT OF EMPHASIS ON TURNOUT.

I THINK THERE IS A LOT OF GROUND SWELL IN THE GOVERNOR'S RACE THAT ISN'T BEING MEASURED IN THE POLLS, I THINK YOU'LL SEE MOVEMENT WHEN THAT POLL COMES OUT AND THAT'S ENSEN'S OPPORTUNITIES.

HE WON'T HAVE THE TESTIFY -- >> DEMOCRATS WILL DEFY THE HISTORICAL ODDS OF LOSING STATES AT THE STATE LEVEL.

THE D.F.L.

WILL DO WELL AT THE STATE LEVEL.

>> Eric: ALL RIGHT, GOOD STUFF, FELLAS.

THANK YOU.

>> Cathy: APPRECIATE IT.

♪♪ >> SEPARATION IS ALL ABOUT LISTENING.

IT ISN'T ABOUT WRITING NIFTY QUESTIONS AND TYPICALLY IN THIS FORMAT ON OCTOBER 3rd, I'M NOT WRITING A BUNCH OF QUESTIONS, I'M WRITING A BUNCH -- 'M THINKING OF QUESTIONS BUT WHAT I REALLY WANT TO DO IS HAVE THAT INFORMATION, THAT BRIEFING BOOK OF INFORMATION IN MY HEAD SO I CAN LISTEN.

♪♪ >> Cathy: I REMEMBER THAT NIGHT, IT WAS SO MUCH FUN TO TALK TO JIM LEHRER ABOUT DEBATES AND HOW TO DO GOOD DEBATES, HE WAS GREAT.

WANT TO ANSWER A HISTORY QUESTION?

IT'S YOUR LUCKY DAY.

LISTEN UP.

WE ARE ASKING ABOUT A NOTED MINNESOTAN WHO, IN 1940, WAS HONORED AS AMERICA'S MOTHER OF THE YEAR.

WE TOLD YOU THE HONOR WAS BESTOWED IN NEW YORK CITY BY THE MOTHER OF PRESIDENT FRANKLIN ROOSEVELT, AND THE MINNESOTAN GAVE A SPEECH ON NATIONWIDE RADIO.

IN HER SPEECH, THIS MINNESOTA MOTHER MADE A PLEA FOR ALL MOTHERS TO COOPERATE IN ORDER TO FIND A WAY TO PROTECT THEIR CHILDREN BY "MAKING THE WORLD ONE BROTHERHOOD."

WE ASKED YOU TO NAME THE MINNESOTAN WHO SAID THESE WORDS.

WHO WAS HONORED AS AMERICA'S MOTHER OF THE YEAR IN 1940?

MANY OF YOU DID QUICK RESEARCH AND GOT OUR QUESTION RIGHT.

BUT THANK GOODNESS FOR THOSE OUT THERE WHO WERE MERELY GUESSING.

HERE'S WHAT WE MEAN.

>> Cathy: NOW THAT WAS VERY CLEVER BUT NO, SUE, YOU WERE STILL WRONG.

WE RECEIVED MANY CORRECT ANSWERS.

JOYCE WON THE LONG-DISTANCE AWARD THIS WEEK.

>> CATHY: THANK YOU, JOYCE, FOR THE LONG DISTANCE CALL.

YES, ROCHESTER'S OWN EDITH MAYO WON THE HONOR THAT YEAR.

HERE'S A PHOTO OF HER AND SARA DELANO ROOSEVELT.

THE MOTHER OF NINE CHILDREN, EDITH MAYO WAS THE FIRST PROFESSIONAL NURSE AT ST. MARY'S HOSPITAL IN ROCHESTER.

SHE WAS HIRED BY DR. WILLIAM MAYO, AND ENDED UP MARRYING HIS SON, DR. CHARLES MAYO.

EDITH MAYO WAS KNOWN FOR HER MANY PHILANTHROPIC CAUSES.

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THIS IS A CHANGE FROM THE LISTING IN YOUR MONTHLY VIEWER GUIDE.

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BEFORE WE GO TONIGHT, WE WANT TO NOTE THE PASSING OF JIM RUSSELL.

HE IS BEST REMEMBERED AS THE CREATOR IN 1988 OF PUBLIC RADIO'S INNOVATIVE MARKETPLACE SERIES... A PROJECT HE HEADED FOR NEARLY 20 YEARS.

WHILE RUSSELL IS BEST KNOWN FOR HIS LANDMARK WORK IN PUBLIC RADIO, HE ALSO LEFT HIS MARK ON PUBLIC TELEVISION.

FROM 1978 TO 1988, HE WAS AN EXECUTIVE AT TWIN CITIES PBS AND WAS AN EARLY CHAMPION OF "ALMANAC."

JIM RUSSELL WAS 76.

WE HAVE MARVELOUS SHOW-CLOSING MUSIC FOR YOU, FROM THE JIM RUSSELL ERA AT TPT.

WE GO BACK IN TIME 40 YEARS AGO THIS WEEK.

THE MINNESOTA ORCHESTRA, CONDUCTED BY NEVILLE MARRINER, TEAMED WITH MUSICIANS FROM FIVE SCANDINAVIAN COUNTRIES FOR A NOTED BROADCAST CALLED "SCANDINAVIA TONIGHT."

IT WAS A TPT PRODUCTION THAT AIRED ON PBS STATIONS ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

HERE ARE THE MASSED CHOIRS THAT EVENING SINGING "FINLANDIA."

THANKS FOR WATCHING.

GOOD NIGHT.

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