>> FUNDING FOR NEW MEXICO  FOCUS PROVIDED BY THE MCCUNE CHARITABLE FOUNDATION AND  VIEWERS LIKE YOU.

>> Gene: THIS WEEK ON NEW  MEXICO IN FOCUS, A PLEDGE FROM WASHINGTON D.C. TO WORK WITH  TRIBAL COMMUNITIES ON THE CRISIS OF MISSING AND MURDERED  INDIGENOUS WOMEN.

>> Means: ESPECIALLY WHEN  THESE ISSUES GET TAKEN OUT BY POLICY MAKERS AND LEGISLATION,  THAT WE REMEMBER WHERE IT STARTED AND WHERE IT COMES  FROM.

>> Gene: PLUS WE'RE ONE ON ONE  WITH DEMOCRATIC AND REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES FOR THE FIRST  CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT.

NEW MEXICO IN FOCUS STARTS NOW.

THANKS FOR JOINING US THIS WEEK.

I AM YOUR HOST, GENE GRANT.

STATE REPRESENTATIVE MELANIE  STANSBURY, STATE SENATOR MARK MOORES AND LIBERTARIAN  CANDIDATE CHRIS MANNING HAD FIRST TELEVISED DEBATE THIS  WEEK ALONG WITH INDEPENDENT AUBREY DUNN.

THEY ARE RUNNING TO FILL DEB HAALAND'S SEAT IN CONGRESS.

SENIOR PRODUCER MATT GRUBS SITS DOWN WITH MR. MOORES AND  MS. STANSBURY FOR A PAIR OF IN-DEPTH CONVERSATIONS ABOUT  THEIR CANDIDACY.

FIRST, THIS WEEK PRESIDENT  BIDEN DECLARED THURSDAY MISSING AND MURDERED  INDIGENOUS PERSONS AWARENESS DAY.

AS THE NEW SECRETARY OF  THE INTERIOR DEVOTES MORE ATTENTION AND RESOURCES TO THE  PROBLEM, THROUGH THE CREATION OF SPECIALIZED UNIT IN THE  BUREAU OF INDIAN AFFAIRS.

THE PRESIDENT SAYS ALL LEVELS  OF GOVERNMENT NEED TO WORK TOGETHER IF THE CRISIS IS TO  COME TO AN END.

THAT PROBLEM WAS FRONT OF MIND  WHEN CORRESPONDENT ANTONIA GONZALES SPOKE TO TWO  ADVOCATES WHO HAVE BEEN WORKING HARD ON THE PROBLEM  HERE IN NEW MEXICO.

>> Antonia: ANGEL CHARLEY AND  CHRISTINE MEANS, WELCOME TO NEW MEXICO IN FOCUS.

CHRISTINE, YOUR WORK IS PERSONAL FOR YOU WORKING WITH  YOUR FAMILY AND ALSO WORKING WITH THE STATE ON THIS ISSUE.

WE HEAR ABOUT ALL THE DIFFERENT CHALLENGES TO  ADDRESS THE ISSUE THROUGH A MAZE OF JURISDICTIONS,  AGENCIES AND GOVERNMENTS.

HOW IS THE TASK FORCE ABLE TO  OVERCOME SOME OF THOSE BARRIERS OR BREAK BARRIERS?

>> Means: THE TASKFORCE HAS BEEN INTEGRAL IN CONNECTING  THE DIFFERENT LEVELS AND LAYERS WE HAVE STACKED UP  AGAINST ISSUES OF MMIW IN INDIAN COUNTRY.

THEY HAVE GOT REPRESENTATION FROM COMMUNITIES OFF  RESERVATION, COMMUNITIES ON INDIAN LANDS, FEDERAL, STATE,  TRIBAL SO I THINK THAT BRIDGING THE COMMUNICATIONS  BETWEEN ALL OF THE DIFFERENT GROUPS IS REPRESENTED.

>> Antonia: THE TASKFORCE ISSUED RECOMMENDATIONS A  REPORT, REPORTS AFTER A YEAR'S WORK AND SOME OF THOSE  RECOMMENDATIONS WE'LL GET TO IN A LITTLE WHILE BUT ANGEL,  YOU'RE ADVOCACY GROUP, ADVOCATES LIKE YOURSELF AND  FAMILIES ARE THERE TO MAKE CONNECTIONS, PLAY A ROLE,  WORKING WITH TRIBES, LAW ENFORCEMENT, POLICY MAKERS.

HOW ARE FAMILIES AND ADVOCATES CHANGING THE NARRATIVE WHEN IT  COMES TO MMIWR.

>> Charley:   I THINK THEY ARE THE STORY TELLERS.

THEY ARE THE ONES WITH THE LIVED EXPERIENCE OF THE ISSUE  AND SO WHAT WE DO AND HOW WE WORK WITH THE FAMILIES ON THE  ISSUE IT IS JUST LIKE CENTERING THAT, MAKING SURE  THAT THEY STAY IN THE FOCUS ESPECIALLY WHEN THESE ISSUES  GET TAKEN UP BY POLICY MAKERS AND LEGISLATION THAT WE  REMEMBER WHERE IT STARTED AND WHERE IT COMES FROM AND WHY IT  MATTERS.

>> Antonia: CHRISTINE, WHAT DO  YOU HAVE TO ADD TO THAT, HOW YOUR WORK THAT YOU HAVE BEEN  DOING ALL THESE YEARS, BEFORE EVEN HELPING WITH THE  TASKFORCE, IS CHANGING THE NARRATIVE?

>> Means: I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHAT ANGEL SAID IS ABSOLUTELY  CORRECT.

IT IS FOCUSING ON THE FAMILIES  AND THE SURVIVORS, THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO HAVE  BEEN ADVOCATING FOR A LONG TIME BECAUSE THEY ARE THE REAL  EXPERTS IN MMIW AND MMIWR.

SO MANY PEOPLE HAVE BEEN  FIGHTING FOR YEARS AND GENERATIONS IN THEIR FAMILY,  WHETHER IT IS FOR POLICY CHANGE, JUSTICE, RECOGNITION  IN THE MEDIA, YOU KNOW, CASES AT THE COURT TRIBAL LEVEL.

I THINK IT IS REALLY TURNING TO THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN  DOING THIS WORK FOR A LONG TIME AND MAKING SURE THEY ARE  A PART OF THE TASK FORCES IN OFFICIAL CAPACITIES,  ORGANIZATIONS, CONFERENCES, ALL OF THAT.

I THINK IT IS TURNING TO THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN  EXPERIENCING THIS FIRSTHAND.

>> Antonia: AND THE TASK FORCE  DID RELEASE FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS LATE LAST YEAR  TO THE GOVERNOR AND STATE LAW MAKERS.

SOME OF THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS INCLUDE THE NEED FOR MORE  RESOURCES, FOR DATA COLLECTION BECAUSE THERE ARE A NUMBER OF  CASES THAT GO UNREPORTED AND/OR UNKNOWN AND SECRETARY  OF THE INTERIOR DEB HAALAND RECENTLY ANNOUNCED THE  CREATION OF A MISSING UNIT TO HELP ADDRESS, ON THE NATIONAL  LEVEL, AND ALSO WHICH WILL TRICKLE DOWN TO THE LOCAL  LEVEL.

CHRISTINE, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN RECEIVING RESOURCES AND EVEN  JUST THE ATTENTION ON THE FEDERAL LEVEL.

WHAT DOES THAT DO?

>> Means: IT ELEVATES THE  VOICE, ELEVATES THE STORY AND WORK THAT PEOPLE ARE DOING.

IT AMPLIFIES THE VOICES OF ORGANIZATIONS LIKE THE  COALITION TO STOP VIOLENCE AGAINST NATIVE WOMEN.

IT ELEVATES THE VOICES OF TASK FORCE BECAUSE SO MUCH OF THIS  WORK HAS TO HAPPEN ON EVERY LEVEL SO WE CAN DO THE WORK IN  THE COMMUNITIES, WE NEED TO BE DOING THE WORK IN OUR OWN  FAMILIES AND OUR OWN HOMES, BUT THEN WE HAVE THE PEOPLE  ADVOCATING FOR US, AT THE ORGANIZATIONAL LEVEL,  NONPROFIT FUND RAISING, THEN YOU GO TO TRIBAL, STATE AND  FEDERAL.

WITHOUT THAT NATIONAL VOICE  AND THAT REPRESENTATION, I THINK WE ARE ALL, YOU KNOW,  WORKING SO HARD BUT ALSO MAYBE DUPLICATING THE WORK.

SO I THINK HAVING SOMEBODY WHO CAN HELP STREAMLINE THE FOCUS  AND MAYBE HELP FIGURE OUT WHERE IT IS WE NEED MORE  SUPPORT ON THE NATIONAL LEVEL BUT ALSO GAINING SUPPORT OF  PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH MMIW IS SO IMPORTANT IN  THE WORK.

SO I THINK HER ESTABLISHMENT  OF IT AND MAKING IT SUCH A PRIORITY IN HER FIRST WEEKS AS  SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR SHOWS SUCH A BIG OPPORTUNITY  FOR EVERYBODY AT EVERY LEVEL, WHETHER YOU'RE CURRENTLY GOING  THROUGH IT RIGHT NOW WITH A FAMILY, YOU'RE WORKING WITH  SOMEBODY WHO HAS MAYBE JUST COME HOME, YOU'RE ADVOCATING  FOR A BILL.

IT JUST KIND OF GROUNDS IT AND  GIVES FOUNDATION OF LIKE WE'RE -- THE WORK WE ARE DOING  IS HEARD AND OTHER PEOPLE ARE FIGHTING AT ALL DIFFERENT  LEVELS.

>> ANGEL, HOW IMPORTANT IS  THAT FOR ORGANIZATIONS LIKE YOURS TO HAVE THAT FEDERAL  ATTENTION AND MAYBE BE ABLE TO INTERACT AND GET RESOURCES  FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND WORKING WITH EVEN  SECRETARY HAALAND HERSELF OR SOME OF HER STAFF MEMBERS, HOW  DOES WORKING WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TRICKLE DOWN TO  LOCAL COMMUNITIES AND BEING MORE THAN JUST A LIP SERVICE  FROM THE GOVERNMENT?

>> Charley: I WAS READING AN  ARTICLE EARLY THIS MORNING ABOUT WHEN OPERATION LADY  JUSTICE WAS FIRST ESTABLISHED I THINK THEY HAD A BUDGET OF  ONE MILLION DOLLARS AND THE NEW UNIT HAS AN ALLOCATION OF  SIX MILLION.

SO THEY ARE PUTTING REAL MONEY  RESOURCES INTO THE ISSUE.

IT ALSO REALLY HELPS THAT ON  THE FEDERAL LEVEL IS WHERE THOSE GAPS ARE, RIGHT?

THAT THESE DEPARTMENTS DON'T SPEAK TO ONE ANOTHER, DOI,  DOJ, AND TO HAVE SOMEONE LIKE SECRETARY HAALAND IN THAT  POSITION TO COORDINATE THE UNIT IS GOING TO BE REALLY  HELPFUL.

WE'RE ONE OF 19 TRIBAL  COALITIONS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY SO WE SERVE NEW MEXICO  AND KIND OF THE SOUTHWEST REGION.

BUT OUR SYSTEM AGENCIES HAVE BEEN TAKING ON THE ISSUE FOR A  REALLY LONG TIME.

AND WE DO POLICY ADVOCACY,  SYSTEM CHANGE WORK BUT IT HAS BEEN HARD FOR US TO FIGURE OUT  WHERE TO PUT THE ISSUE OF MMIW.

RIGHT?

FEDERAL FUNDING IS VERY  SPECIFIC ON WHAT YOU CAN AND CANNOT ADVOCATE FOR AND SO FOR  YEARS WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW DO WE MAKE THIS  FIT INTO THE PROGRAMMING, HOW DO YOU JUSTIFY THE ISSUE AND  FOR US AS AN ORGANIZATION WE LEANED INTO IT THROUGH OUR SEX  TRAFFICKING PROGRAM.

SO IT HAS REALLY BEEN  SUSTAINED THERE AND OUR SEX TRAFFICKING COORDINATOR HAS  LED THE WORK FOR THE ORGANIZATION FOR A REALLY LONG  TIME, BUT I THINK WHAT THIS ALSO GETS TO DO IS NAME IT AS  ITS OWN ISSUE.

WE DON'T HAVE TO KEEP TRYING  TO FIT IN OTHER AREAS AND THEN, YEAH, JUST BACK TO THAT  IT IS GOING TO HAVE REAL RESOURCES, SO WE DO HOPE THAT  THAT TRICKLES DOWN AND THAT THIS VERY SPECIFIC ISSUE IS TO  BE ADDRESSED.

>> Antonia: JUST LOOKING AT  ALL THE DIFFERENT ISSUES AND CHALLENGES WHEN IT COMES TO  ADDRESSING MISSING AND  MURDERED INDIGENOUS WOMEN AND GIRLS AND RELATIVES, THERE IS  ALSO, ON TOP OF THE, THE PANDEMIC.

AND ANGEL, YOU'RE HOSTING A SESSION WITH SOME TRIBAL  LEADERS TALKING ABOUT DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AND THIS ISSUE AND  JUST ALSO HOW COMMUNITIES HAVE BEEN IMPACTED ESPECIALLY IN  RURAL AREAS WITH DOMESTIC VIOLENCE WHEN IT COMES TO THE  PANDEMIC.

WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE IN  TRIBAL COMMUNITIES?

>> Charley: WELL, THAT IS WHAT  WE ARE GOING TO LISTEN TO ADVOCATES FOR.

WE HAVE SEVERAL PANELS WHERE WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN  WORKING ON THE FRONT LINE THIS PAST YEAR TELL US, LIKE, WHAT  HAPPENED, WHAT WORKS, WHAT DIDN'T WORK, WHAT WERE SOME OF  THE CHALLENGES, WHAT WERE SOME OF THOSE BARRIERS.

AND REALLY  GET TO HEAR FROM THEM, LIKE, WHAT, MAYBE SOME OF THOSE  CURFEW ORDERS THAT ARE STILL IN PLACE RIGHT NOW FOR TRIBAL  COMMUNITIES, HOW THOSE MIGHT HAVE IMPACTED SEEKING SHELTER  OR NEEDING TO LEAVE THE COMMUNITY IF YOU WERE  EXPERIENCING DOMESTIC VIOLENCE.

AND, SO, WE ARE USING IT AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD BACK OUR  SYSTEMS A LITTLE BETTER.

THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO  LEARN IN A CRISIS MOMENT WHAT WORKS AND HOW WE CAN SUSTAIN  THAT GOING FORWARD.

>> Antonia: CHRISTINE, THAT IS  ALSO SOMETHING THE TASKFORCE EXAMINED THROUGH THE YEAR AND  ALSO I AM SURE IT ALSO HAD CHALLENGES FOR TASKFORCE  MEMBERS IN WORKING ON MISSING AND MURDERED INDIGENOUS WOMEN  AND GIRLS IN VILLAGES.

>> Means: I THINK THE INITIAL  PLANNING OF THE TASKFORCE WAS  GOING TO BE VERY HANDS ON WHICH IS HOW IT WAS STARTED.

PUBLIC MEETINGS, THEY WANT -- THE TASKFORCE MEMBERS WANTED  TO GO TO COMMUNITIES AND HAVE FORUMS WHERE PEOPLE COULD COME  IN AND TALK AND GIVE THEIR EXPERIENCE.

I WAS ABLE TO ATTEND THEIR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING HERE IN  ALBUQUERQUE AND THEN WHEN THE NEW YEAR STARTED IN COVID IT  REALLY SLOWED THE MOMENTUM SO THE PUBLIC MEETINGS TURNED TO  ZOOM, WHICH, FOR A PORTION OF THE POPULATION, WAS OKAY  BECAUSE WE HAVE INTERNET ACCESS, WE ARE ABLE TO GET ON,  BUT IT STOPPED THAT COMMUNICATION LINE WITH A LOT  OF PEOPLE IN COMMUNICATION THAT MAYBE DIDN'T HAVE  INTERNET OR COULD NOT GET TO A COMPUTER THAT DAY.

AND, TO PARTICIPATE IN ZOOM WHICH IS ANOTHER ISSUE WE HAVE  IS THE ACCESS TO INTERNET IN RURAL COMMUNITIES AND THEN IN  SOME NATIVE COMMUNITIES.

SO THAT WAS AN ISSUE AND IT  WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS ALL WE COULD DO WAS PUSH THROUGH AND  CONTINUE TO HOLD ZOOM MEETINGS.

>> Antonia: WHAT DO YOU HOPE WITH THE TASKFORCE IN THE  FUTURE.

>> Means: THE TASKFORCE TODAY  IS THEIR LAST FEW MONTHS OF OFFICIAL APPOINTMENT TIME.

WHEN THEY WERE POINTED IN THE ORIGINAL HOUSE BILL, THE  TASKFORCE WAS SET TO EXPIRE, SUNSET END ON JUNE 30TH, 2021.

RIGHT NOW THE OFFICIAL TASKFORCE IS IN THE LAST  COUPLE MONTHS OF MEETING, OF CONVENING, OF TRYING TO  ACCOMPLISH WHAT IT IS THEY SET OUT TO DO AND A BIG PART WAS  THE REPORT AND PUBLISHING IT AND AFTER THAT WAS PROPOSING A  BILL WHICH THERE WAS A BILL PROPOSED IN THE LEGISLATIVE  SESSION MARCH 2021.

THE HOUSE BILL DIDN'T GO  THROUGH UNFORTUNATELY BUT THEY HAVE PIVOTED AND DECIDED TO  PROPOSE AN EXECUTIVE ORDER TO THE NEW MEXICO GOVERNOR IN ITS  PLACE AND THAT WOULD ENSURE A TASKFORCE COULD CONTINUE ON  MOVING FORMED INTO 2022 AND I THINK THE OVERALL GOAL REALLY  IS TO FIND THAT LONG-TERM SOLUTION, THAT LONG-TERM  SUPPORT OF WHAT IT IS THAT THE TASKFORCE'S ROLE IS IN THE  STATE OF NEW MEXICO.

WHAT IS THE ROLE THAT IT PLAYS  WHAT TRIBES, WITH THE NEW MEXICO INDIAN AFFAIRS  DEPARTMENT, WITH THE GOVERNMENT OF THE STATE OF NEW  MEXICO.

SO, I THINK THAT IN THE  INITIAL YEAR FINDINGS, SOME RECOMMENDATIONS WERE ABLE TO  COME OUT OF IT AND NOW IT IS PRIORITIZING THOSE ACTION  ITEMS AND STARTING TO PUT THEM INTO EFFECT SO THAT THEY CAN  BE ENACTED.

>> Antonia: ANGEL, WHAT ARE  YOUR COALITION'S PLANS FOR THE FUTURE?

WHAT IS IN STORE FOR THIS YEAR FOR THE COALITION?

>> Charley: IN TERMS OF MMIW, WE ARE STARTING TO EXPLORE  SOME OF THE ROOT CAUSES, SO WHY DOES IT FEEL SAFER MAYBE  TO LEAVE YOUR HOME THAN TO STAY IN THE COMMUNITY?

SO, WE'LL BE TAKING A REALLY INTENTIONAL DIRECTION TOWARD  GETTING AT THAT ROOT CAUSE AND DEVELOPING TRAINING AROUND  THAT.

BUT, YOU KNOW, THE ENTIRE YEAR  WE HAVE EVENTS PLANNED.

THIS MONTH IS SEXUAL ASSAULT  AWARENESS MONTH.

I JUST STEPPED OUT OF A TRAINING TO  JOIN YOU HERE TODAY WHERE WE JOINED WITH THE TRIBAL LAW AND  POLICY INSTITUTE.

AND WE HAVE A 5K IN NOVEMBER.

WE HAVE A NATIVE YOUTH SUMMIT WHERE LAST NIGHT WAS THE FIRST  DAY OF THE LAST -- SO TONS OF EVENTS, WAYS TO GET INVOLVED  AND STAY ENGAGED IS ON OR WEBSITE SO FOLKS WANT TO CHECK  OUT WHAT WE ARE DOING AND JOIN US.

WE INVITE YOU TO.

>> Antonia: THANK YOU BOTH FOR  YOUR WORK AND ADVOCACY ON THIS ISSUE AND THANK YOU FOR  JOINING US HERE TODAY ON NEW MEXICO IN FOCUS.

>> Means: THANK YOU ANTONIA.

>> Gene: ON JUNE FIRST, VOTERS  IN THE FIRST CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT WILL DECIDE WHO  SHOULD REPLACE DEB HAALAND.

BALLOTING IS UNDERWAY AND  EXPANDED EARLY VOTING STARTS MAY 15.

REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE IS STATE SENATOR MARK MOORES.

AS ALBUQUERQUE HAS GROWN MORE DEMOCRATIC, HE HAS HUNG ON TO  HIS NORTHEAST HEIGHTS DISTRICT SEAT.

MR. MOORES OWNS A  MEDICAL TESTING LAB BUT HE'S BEEN IN POLITICS FOR DECADES,  SERVING AS CHIEF OF STAFF TO FORMER GOVERNOR, WALTER  BRADLEY.

HE SPOKE WITH SENIOR PRODUCER  MATT GRUBS ABOUT PRIORITIES, HIS TAKE ON INTRA-PARTY  DIFFERENCES AND WHAT ROLE CRIME SHOULD PLAY IN THE  AGENDA OF A U.S.

CONGRESSMAN.

>> Matt: SENATOR MARK MOORES,  THANK YOU FOR SPENDING TIME WITH US.

>> Moores: GREAT TO SEE YOU.

>> Matt: LET'S START WITH  POLICING.

>> Moores: RIGHT OFF THE BAT.

>> Matt: RIGHT.

EXACTLY.

IT IS KIND OF A WEIRD ONE  RIGHT, BECAUSE YOU'RE RUNNING FOR CONGRESS AND POLICING IS  USUALLY A LOCAL ISSUE BUT LET'S TALK ABOUT QUALIFIED  IMMUNITY, SOMETHING THAT NEW MEXICO HAS RECENTLY ADDRESSED.

WHAT ARE YOUR FEELINGS ON THAT?

IS GETTING RID OF IT AS A DEFENSE A GOOD THING?

>> Moores: NO, IT IS NOT.

I VOTED AGAINST THAT IN SANTA  FE AS A STATE SENATOR AND I'LL VOTE AGAINST REPEALING  QUALIFIED IMMUNITY FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS IN  WASHINGTON.

WE ARE ALL INCREDIBLY  CONCERNED AND HAVE WOKEN UP AS A COUNTRY ABOUT SOME OF THE  NEEDS FOR REFORM WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT, BUT, YOU KNOW,  WHAT REALLY CONCERNED ME, MATT, IS THE VILIFICATION OF  LAW OFFICERS.

WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS WE NEED  TO STAND BY THEM.

YOU KNOW, MY OPPONENT SAYS THE  SYSTEM IS BROKEN, WE NEED TO SCRAP THE ENTIRE SYSTEM.

THAT IS NOT TRUE.

WE NEED TO STAND BY LAW  ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS BY GIVING THEM THE TRAINING THEY NEED TO  HELP SERVE US BETTER, ALSO MAKE SURE THEY HAVE TECHNOLOGY  AND EQUIPMENT THAT THEY NEED TO SERVE US AND PROTECT OUR  STATES.

WHAT CONCERNS ME WITH THE  QUALIFIED IMMUNITY IS THAT WHAT WE ARE HAVING IS A  SITUATION WHERE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS HAVE TO  PAUSE.

THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO REACT  IN SITUATIONS THAT ARE LIFE ENDANGERING.

IF THEY STOP AND HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THAT AND THAT PAUSE  LEADS TO DEATH OF A CITIZEN OR EVEN THEIR DEATH, THAT IS VERY  CONCERNING AND DANGEROUS.

SO MY OPPONENT ACTUALLY  SUPPORTS.

RIGHT NOW YOU ARE SEEING A  HUGE REDUCTION IN MORALE IN LAW ENFORCEMENT.

I HAVE TALKED TO OFFICERS WHO HAVE WORKED FOR MANY YEARS AND  THEY ARE WONDERING WHY A YOUNG OFFICER OR A YOUNG PERSON  WOULD EVEN COME INTO THE PROFESSION RIGHT NOW.

WE CANNOT VILIFY THE MEN AND WOMEN IN BLUE.

WE NEED TO HELP THEM WITH GOOD TRAINING, GOOD EQUIPMENT AND  WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD AND HELP THEM, BECAUSE  YOU KNOW WHAT, MATT, AS YOU WELL KNOW, EVERYDAY WE WAKE UP  IN CENTRAL NEW MEXICO AND THERE SEEMS TO BE ANOTHER  MURDER.

45 SO FAR THIS YEAR ALONE.

AND THAT IS ABOUT TWICE OF WHAT THE PREVIOUS RECORD WAS  FOR THIS TIME OF YEAR.

IT IS OUT OF CONTROL.

THIS EPIDEMIC IS OUT OF CONTROL.

WE DON'T NEED TO DEFUND POLICE, DON'T NEED TO  ELIMINATE POLICE, DON'T NEED RADICAL REFORM LIKE MY  OPPONENTS WANTS.

WE NEED TO SUPPORT AND STAND  BY THEM AND NEED TO WORK TO MAKE SURE BAD OFFICERS GET OFF  THE FORCE, NO QUESTION.

BUT WE ALSO NEED TO MAKE SURE  THOSE OFFICERS WHO ARE THERE TO PROTECT US HAVE OUR SUPPORT  INCLUDING TRAINING AND EQUIPMENT.

>> Matt: THERE IS A LOT TO DIG INTO THERE.

AS WE SPEAK, THE INDEPENDENT MONITOR HAS COME OUT WITH HIS  MOST RECENT REPORT AND IT SAYS ESSENTIALLY THAT, LOOK, YOU  HAVE THE POLICIES IN PLACE, YOU KNOW, FOR THE PAST THREE  REPORTS YOU HAVE BEEN TOTALLY COMPLIANT WITH THESE POLICIES  AND YOU'RE DOING OKAY AT TRAINING, BUT THAT IS STARTING  TO SLACK OFF AND THEN THE REAL ISSUE IS THAT THE DEPARTMENT  ISN'T TAKING THESE REFORMS THAT THEY ENTERED INTO WITH  THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, THE POLICE AREN'T TAKING THOSE TO  HEART AND IT IS ALMOST A CULTURE ISSUE.

HOW DO YOU SEE YOUR ABILITY TO LEVERAGE CHANGE IN THAT?

DO YOU SEE THAT AS AN ISSUE?

>> Moores: THAT IS DEFINITELY  AN ISSUE AND WE NEED REFORM, NOT THE RADICAL DESTRUCTION OF  THE SYSTEM THAT MY OPPONENT SUPPORTS.

WE NEED THAT TRAINING AND SUPPORT.

THAT IS SOMETHING THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CAN PROVIDE WITHOUT  THE HEAVY HANDEDNESS OF THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE.

YOU KNOW, I MET WITH THE POLICE OFFICERS ASSOCIATION.

THEY TOLD ME THAT 60 OFFICERS ARE OFF THE STREET RIGHT NOW  JUST DOING PAPERWORK AT A TIME WHERE CRIME IS THROUGH THE  ROOF.

AND MURDERS ARE THROUGH THE  ROOF RIGHT NOW.

WE ARE TAKING 60 LAW  ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS OFF THE STREETS TO DO PAPERWORK.

WE NEED TRAINING.

WE NEED SUPPORT.

WE NEED TECHNOLOGY BUT WE NEED COMMON SENSE ABOUT THIS  ESPECIALLY WITH CRIME OUT OF CONTROL RIGHT NOW.

>> Matt: DO YOU FEEL LIKE THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT SHOULD  ALLOW THE ALBUQUERQUE POLICE DEPARTMENT OUT OF THE COURT  APPROVED SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT RIGHT NOW?

>> Moores: I DO BECAUSE WE ARE IN CRISIS.

ALBUQUERQUE IS BURNING AND IT SEEMS LIKE POLITICIANS ARE  PLAYING THE FIDDLE.

WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO DEAL  WITH THE CRIMINAL ELEMENT THAT HAS TAKEN OVER THE CITY RIGHT  NOW.

AND WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO  ADDRESS THAT RIGHT NOW OR WE ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE ECONOMIC  DEVELOPMENT.

WE ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE NEW  JOBS IN TOWN.

WE ARE GOING TO SEE THIS  CONTINUATION OF THIS BRAIN DRAIN THAT WE SEE IN NEW  MEXICO AS OUR YOUNG PEOPLE MOVE.

WE SAW INCREDIBLE STAGNATION THIS LAST 10 YEARS OF  POPULATION GROWTH.

THAT IS NUMBER OF FACTORS AND  PART OF THAT IS THE OUT-OF-CONTROL CRIME THAT IS  HAPPENING IN CENTRAL NEW MEXICO.

AS FAMILIES AND  BUSINESSES ARE LOOKING WHERE ARE WE GOING TO GO, ARE THEY  GOING TO NEW MEXICO WHERE EVERY MORNING YOU WAKE UP AND  SEE A NEW MURDER HAPPEN WITHIN OUR TOWN AND THE SCHOOLS ARE  UNDER-PERFORMING AND JOB OPPORTUNITIES FOR THEIR  CHILDREN AREN'T HERE?

SO, THAT IS PART OF WHAT IS  HAPPENING.

CRIME IS A HUGE CENTRAL PART  OF THAT.

>> Matt: YOUR CRITICS ARE  GOING TO SAY, IF WE GO BACK TO THE WAY IT WAS BEFORE WITHOUT  HAVING COMPLETED THE REFORMS, WE ARE GOING TO GO BACK TO A  SYSTEM IN WHICH BAD COPS, AND YOU MENTIONED THEY EXIST, THEY  WERE COSTING THE CITY 10'S OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN  SETTLEMENTS.

THERE WERE HUGE DEMONSTRATIONS  IN CITIES ON THE EAST COAST WITH A SIX MILLION DOLLAR  SETTLEMENT IN BALTIMORE.

WE WERE OUT PACING THAT BY  MANY TIMES.

IS THAT THE SYSTEM YOU WANT TO  GO BACK TO?

>> Moores: WE NEED REFORM.

WE KNOW WE NEED IMPROVEMENTS IN THE SYSTEM.

WE DON'T NEED TO SCRAP THE SYSTEM AND DESTROY THE SYSTEM  AS MY OPPONENT IS CALLING FOR.

WE NEED TO IMPROVE IT, GET THE  BAD COPS AND HAVE THAT OVERSIGHT OFF THE STREET, BUT  WE ALSO NEED TO GIVE THEM SUPPORT WITH TECHNOLOGY AND  WHAT THEY NEED TO DO THEIR JOB.

WE CAN'T VILIFY THE MEN AND WOMEN WHO ARE COMING IN TO  PROTECT US AND GOING INTO DANGEROUS SITUATIONS AND  EXPECT THEM TO BE THERE WHEN WE ARE IN TROUBLE.

WHO IS GOING TO SHOW UP FOR MURDERS AND RAPE  INVESTIGATIONS IF WE JUST DRIVE ALL THE COPS AND  CONSIDER THE COPS THE BAD GUYS?

>> Matt: YOU TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOUR OPPONENT AND  USED THE WORD RADICAL TO DESCRIBE HER.

THE IDEA THAT WE NEED TO REFORM THE SYSTEM IN A BROAD  WAY, THAT DOES FEEL RADICAL TO YOU WHEN IT COMES TO PUBLIC  SAFETY AND POLICING?

>> Moores: WE NEED TO REFORM  THE SYSTEM.

MY OPPONENT IS RADICAL BECAUSE  SHE HAS SAID THAT WE NEED TO PASS BREATHE ACT.

I ENCOURAGE THE VIEWERS TO GO TO BREATHEACT.ORG AND LOOK  WHAT SHE IS PROPOSING.

IT IS THE COMPLETE DESTRUCTION  OF THE LAW ENFORCEMENT SYSTEM.

HER PROPOSAL, ACCORDING TO HER  OWN WEBSITE, ELIMINATES THE POLICE, PRISON AND ALL  PUNISHMENT PARADIGM.

THAT IS THEIR WORDS.

IT IS COMPLETE DEFUNDING OF FEDERAL INSTITUTIONS LIKE THE  DEA, ICE, THE BORDER PATROL.

TASKFORCES, INCLUDING FBI  TERRORISM TASKFORCE.

THE BILL SHE SUPPORTS TAKES  AWAY FEDERAL FUNDING FOR BULLET PROOF ARMOR FOR POLICE  OFFICERS.

IT EVEN GOES AS FAR AS SAYING  DRUG SNIFFING DOGS CANNOT BE ALLOWED IN FEDERAL AGENCIES  ANYMORE.

WHO BELIEVES THAT IS NOT A  RADICAL AGENDA?

IN FACT, MATT, THAT BILL SAYS  FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS CANNOT GO WITHIN  1000 FEET OF A SCHOOL OR A BUS STOP.

HOW IS THAT MAKING SENSE?

WHO IS THE CRIMINAL THAT HER  RADICAL PROPOSAL THAT SHE SUPPORTS IN THAT SITUATION?

SHE IS SAYING THAT POLICE OFFICERS, FEDERAL LAW  ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS, CAN'T GO  NEAR A SCHOOL.

>> Matt: WHICH FEDERAL LAW  ENFORCEMENT?

>> Moores: IT IS IN THE BILL  BREATHEACT.ORG.

>> Matt: IS IT IMMIGRATION?

>> Moores: THE BILL SAYS FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT  OFFICERS ON BREATHE ACT.

WHO BELIEVES THAT MAKES SENSE?

WHO IS THE CRIMINAL IN THAT SITUATION WHERE SEXUAL  PREDATORS ARE BEING TREATED THE SAME AS LAW ENFORCEMENT  OFFICERS.

THAT IS JUST A RADICAL,  RADICAL AGENDA.

>> Matt: YOU WORKED WITH SOME  DEMOCRATS IN THE LEGISLATURE WHO ARE, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE  LEFT-LEANING DEMOCRATS.

THINKING OF MATTHEW MCQUEEN,  ANDREA ROMERO.

>> Moores: GOOD FRIENDS.

>> Matt: JEFF STEINBORN.

>> Moores: MO MAESTAS.

ALL GOOD FRIENDS.

>> Matt: ARE THEY RADICALS?

>> Moores: I BELIEVE SO.

YOU BRING UP A GOOD POINT.

YOU CAN HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS IN THE LEGISLATURE  AND WE DEAL WITH SOME VERY IMPORTANT PASSIONATE ISSUES  THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE THOSE DIFFERENCES OF OPINION.

BUT 90% OF MY EXPERIENCE DEALING WITH SANTA FE IN MY  EXPERIENCE IN GOVERNMENT IS THAT 90% OF WHAT WE DO HAS TO  BE ABLE TO WORK TOGETHER.

YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SIT DOWN  AND TAKE LIKE BILLS LIKE I HAVE TALKED ABOUT ON SOME OF  THE GOOD FRIENDS I HAVE ON THE OTHER SIDE WHO HAVE VERY  STRONG OPINIONS ABOUT ISSUES, BUT THEN WORK TOGETHER ON ALL  THOSE ISSUES BECAUSE OUR REPUBLIC DOES NOT WORK IF WE  ARE ALWAYS FIGHTING.

WE HAVE TO FIGHT AND WE HAVE  TO HAVE DEBATES ON THESE BIG ISSUES BUT ALL THAT LIST OF  PEOPLE THAT YOU JUST SAID, GOOD FRIENDS OF MINE, WE HAVE  VERY DIFFERENT OPINIONS ON BIG POLICY ISSUES BUT I STRIVE TO  WORK WITH THEM ON AREAS WHERE WE CAN WORK TOGETHER.

THAT IS ONE OF MY STRENGTHS, I BELIEVE, AS A SENATOR.

I FIGHT FOR MY CONSERVATIVE VALUES BUT ALSO KNOW I NEED TO  WORK TOGETHER WITH THE OTHER SIDE ON THE CRITICAL ISSUES  THAT WE NEED TO ADVANCE IN NEW MEXICO AND THE NATION.

I'LL DO THAT IN WASHINGTON.

>> Matt: I CAN HEAR VIEWERS  SHOUTING AT THEIR SCREENS SAYING THAT IS NOT HOW IT  WORKS IN WASHINGTON.

IT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE HOW IT  WORKS IN WASHINGTON.

IF YOU WIN MOST OF YOUR  COLLEAGUES WILL HAVE VOTED TO NOT RECOGNIZE THE ELECTION,  YOU KNOW.

THAT IS A STICKY ISSUE.

DO YOU FEEL LIKE THERE IS ANY QUESTIONS AS TO WHETHER THE  RESULTS OF THE 2020 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION WERE  LEGITIMATE?

>> Moores: YOU SAID THAT IS  NOT THE WAY IT HAS BEEN WORKING IN WASHINGTON AND  YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

BOTH PARTIES ARE AT FAULT FOR  THAT ISSUE.

IT HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR TOO LONG.

I HAVE PRIDED MYSELF TO ACTUALLY WORK WITH THE OTHER  SIDE.

I MAKE IT A POINT EVERY YEAR  TO FIND A PIECE OF LEGISLATION IN SANTA FE THAT CAN BE  BIPARTISAN INCLUDING SOME OF THE LEGISLATION WITH PEOPLE  YOU TALKED ABOUT EARLIER.

THIS LAST YEAR I DID  REDISTRICTING REFORM WITH ONE OF THE MOST LIBERAL STATE  SENATORS, GERALD ORTIZ Y PINO AND WE WERE SUCCESSFUL WORKING  WITH A BIPARTISAN, BICAMERAL LEGISLATION.

TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, WE ARE A REPUBLIC.

WE HAVE ELECTIONS.

JOE BIDEN IS PRESIDENT.

I DIDN'T VOTE FOR HIM AND I AM NOT HAPPY ABOUT THAT, BUT WE  HAVE TO HONOR OUR CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC.

THIS AMAZING AMERICAN EXPERIMENT IS 240 YEARS OLD  AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE IT CONTINUES FOR ANOTHER 240  YEARS.

WE HAVE ELECTIONS.

THEY HAVE CONSEQUENCES.

WE MOVED ON AS A NATION.

IF WE DON'T AND WE CONTINUE THIS BICKERING BACK AND FORTH  AND REFUSE TO WORK TOGETHER I FEAR THAT IN 240 YEARS WE  WON'T HAVE A REPUBLIC IF NOT SOONER.

>> Matt: YEAH, IT CERTAINLY FEELS SHAKY AT TIMES.

I WANTED TO TALK JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT TAX STRUCTURE AND  THIS IDEA OF RADICALISM.

IT SEEMS KIND OF RADICAL THAT  THE BIGGEST COMPANIES AND WEALTHIEST CITIZENS DON'T PAY  VERY MUCH IN TAX.

THESE ARE POSITIONS THAT THE  REPUBLICAN PARTY HAS SUPPORTED.

DOES THAT FEEL RADICAL TO YOU?

>> Moores: I AM A SMALL  BUSINESS OWNER.

WE ARE IN HEALTHCARE.

SO WE  ACTUALLY HAVE TO RECRUIT DOCTORS, HIGHLY SKILLED  MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS HERE TO THE STATE OF NEW MEXICO.

PEOPLE WHO CAN ACTUALLY DO DIAGNOSIS OF TESTING AND  MEDICAL AND PEOPLE WHO DIAGNOSE CANCERS.

THEY ARE  ACTUALLY VERY, VERY DIFFICULT TO RECRUIT THEM IF WE ARE NOT  COMPETITIVE AND WE ARE NOT COMPETITIVE WHEN THEY LOOK --  WE ARE LOOKING AT HISTO-TECHS AND LAB TECHS WHO ARE MAKING  SIX FIGURES.

THEY CAN GO TO ARIZONA, TEXAS, OTHER STATES  AROUND THE SOUTHWEST OR ANYWHERE REALLY IN THE  COUNTRY.

SINCE NEW MEXICO IS NOT  COMPETITIVE WE HAVE A MUCH MORE DIFFICULT TIME RECRUITING  SO WE HAVE TO BE COMPETITIVE NATIONALLY AND  INTERNATIONALLY.

SO, THE IDEA OF RAISING THE  CORPORATE INCOME TAX NATIONALLY, THEN MAKING US ONE  OF THE MOST HIGHLY TAXED COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD, PUTS  US AT A COMPETITIVE DISADVANTAGE ESPECIALLY AT A  TIME WHERE WE NEED TO BRING THAT MANUFACTURING BASE BACK  TO AMERICA.

AGAIN, I WAS IN HEALTHCARE  FIELD AND I WAS IN THE FRONT LINES OF THE FIGHT AGAINST  COVID-19.

I PERSONALLY PUT ON PPE EVERY  MORNING AND WENT OUT THERE AND COLLECTED COVID TESTS MYSELF  AND PUT MY HEALTH AND SAFETY ON THE LINE.

AND WHAT COVID TAUGHT US IS WE HAVE OUTSOURCED WAY TOO MUCH  MANUFACTURING.

ALL OF OUR PPE, AS YOU  REMEMBER WAS -- WE HAD TO FIND -- YOU SEE HOW BIG I AM.

TRY TO FIND PPE TO FIT ME DURING THE MIDDLE OF THE  PANDEMIC.

BUT ON A SERIOUS NOTE, IT WAS  DIFFICULT.

WE HAD TO PROTECT OUR STAFF  AND THE PEOPLE OF NEW MEXICO.

BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT  MANUFACTURING AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PANDEMIC.

WE HAVE AN INSTRUMENT, A QUARTER MILLION DOLLAR  INSTRUMENT, THAT ALLOWED US TO DO COVID TESTING THAT WE USED  FOR VIRAL TESTING IN THE LABORATORY.

THAT INSTRUMENT WAS MADE OVERSEAS AND FOR THE REST OF  THE PANDEMIC WE ONLY HAD THAT ONE INSTRUMENT.

WE COULD HAVE PUT THREE OR FOUR MORE INSTRUMENTS IN USE  BUT WE COULDN'T GET THEM BECAUSE MANUFACTURING WASN'T  AVAILABLE.

WE COULD HAVE HELPED MUCH MORE  IF WE HAD BEEN ABLE TO HAVE THAT MANUFACTURING HERE IN  AMERICA.

AND QUITE FRANKLY THAT  INSTRUMENT TOOK A BEATING AND THERE WAS A LOT OF MAINTENANCE  ISSUES AS WE MOVED FORWARD SO THAT WE COULD HAVE ACTUALLY  HELPED NEW MEXICO A LOT MORE IF THAT MANUFACTURING WAS HERE  IN AMERICA.

SO THAT IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHY  WE CANNOT BE THE HIGHEST RATED TAXED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD.

WE ARE NOT RIGHT NOW BUT THE PROPOSAL WOULD GO TO BE ONE OF  THE HIGHEST IN THE WORLD.

IF WE LOOK AT INDUSTRIALIZED  COUNTRIES, WE ARE ABOUT MIDDLE RIGHT NOW.

THAT IS PROBABLY WHERE WE NEED TO BE COMPETITIVE.

THERE ARE A LOT OF ADVANTAGES FOR CORPORATIONS TO BE IN  AMERICA, NO QUESTION ABOUT IT.

WE ARE THE MOST POWERFUL,  SUCCESSFUL ECONOMY THE HISTORY HAS EVER SEEN.

BUT, BY MAKING US LESS COMPETITIVE AND GIVING  INCENTIVES FOR CORPORATIONS TO MOVE OVERSEAS, WELL, WE NEED  TO BE BRINGING THAT BACK HERE TO AMERICA, BECAUSE AS COVID  PROVED, WE NEED THAT MANUFACTURING HERE IN THE  UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

BECAUSE, QUITE FRANKLY, MATT  THERE IS GOING TO BE ANOTHER PANDEMIC.

MY GRANDFATHER BECAME AN ORPHAN BECAUSE OF THE SPANISH  FLU 100 YEARS AGO AND HERE WE GO 100 YEARS LATER.

WITH GLOBALIZATION THE WAY IT IS RIGHT NOW, THE NEXT  PANDEMIC HOPEFULLY WON'T BE FOR ANOTHER 100 YEARS BUT  REALISTIC, VIRUSES WILL CHANGE.

THERE WILL BE A NEW  VIRUS AND WE HAVE TO BE PREPARED AS A NATION AND WORLD  FOR THE NEXT PANDEMIC.

>> Matt: SURE.

IT IS A NATIONAL SECURITY ISSUE.

YOU MENTIONED REDISTRICTING.

I DO WANT TO GET TO THAT.

WE HAVE ABOUT FIVE MINUTES LEFT AND SO MUCH TO COVER.

THE IDEA THAT ELECTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES, CERTAINLY.

IN 2010 REPUBLICANS HAD PROJECT RED MAP WHICH WAS THE  IDEA TO REDISTRICT AS MANY REPUBLICAN SEATS AS THEY  COULD.

NOW DEMOCRATS ARE IN CONTROL.

I AM NOT SURE, CAN YOU BLAME THEM FOR NOT WANTING, YOU  KNOW, SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE EGOLF WAS RESISTANT TO THIS  IDEA OF A REDISTRICTING COMMISSION, WHICH YOU DID GET  PASSED IN SOME FORM.

CAN YOU BLAME THEM FOR SAYING,  WAIT A SECOND, IT'S OUR TURN, ELECTIONS DO HAVE  CONSEQUENCES.

>> Moores: THAT IS A PROBLEM  WITH POLITICS AND REDISTRICTING RIGHT NOW.

THAT IS WHAT HAPPENS EVERY 10 YEARS.

IT IS NOT A REPUBLICAN ISSUE OR DEMOCRAT ISSUE.

IT IS  ABOUT OUR FUNDAMENTAL DEMOCRACY AND OUR REPUBLIC.

THAT IS WHERE REDISTRICTING HAS ALWAYS BEEN IN NEW MEXICO.

IT HAS BEEN THAT BLOOD SPORT OF LEGISLATORS PROTECTING  THEIR OWN DISTRICTS AND INCUMBENTS DRAWING THEIR  DISTRICTS AND TAKING THEIR HOUSE AND DRAWING THEIR  DISTRICTS AROUND THEMSELVES TO PROTECT THEMSELVES.

IN NEW MEXICO IT WAS LITERAL A PROCESS OF INCUMBENTS PICKING  THEIR VOTERS AS OPPOSED VOTERS PICKING THE LEGISLATURE.

AND  THAT IS A REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRAT ISSUE.

IT IS NOT ONE OR THE OTHER IS BETTER OR WORSE BECAUSE IT IS  AN EXERCISE IN RAW POLITICAL POWER.

IT IS ALSO AN EXERCISE IN CAUCUS CONTROL.

THE LEADERS OF THE CAUCUSES LOVE DRAWING THEIR POTENTIAL  OPPONENTS FOR LEADERSHIP OUT OF THEIR DISTRICTS.

SO IT IS  NOT A REPUBLICAN/DEMOCRAT ISSUE.

IT IS ABOUT JUST RAW POWER.

THE IMPORTANCE OF HAVING A  BIPARTISAN, BICAMERAL REDISTRICTING COMMISSION THAT  I WORKED FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, AND WE HAVE TALKED  ABOUT MANY A TIMES, WAS VERY IMPORTANT FOR THE FUNDAMENTALS  OF OUR REPUBLIC AND OR DEMOCRACY TO MAKE SURE THAT  PEOPLE WERE ABLE TO ELECT THEIR REPRESENTATIVES AS  OPPOSED TO THE REPRESENTATIVES PICKING THEIR PEOPLE.

I AM VERY PROUD OF THAT BILL.

WE, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER,  WORKED WITH SOME OF THE MOST LIBERAL MEMBERS OF THE STATE  SENATE AND BIPARTISAN GROUP AND THE MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE  OF REPRESENTATIVES.

IT TOOK A TEAM EFFORT TO BREAK  UP THAT BALL OF POWER.

I AM EXCITED ABOUT THE  REDISTRICTING REFORM THAT HAPPENED.

I DON'T BELIEVE IT WENT FAR ENOUGH.

I WOULD LIKE A CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT TO MANDATE THAT  INDEPENDENT REDISTRICTING COMMISSION IS THE ULTIMATE  ARBITRATOR ON PICKING OUT WHAT MAPS THERE ARE, BUT WHAT WE  DID THIS YEAR IN A BIPARTISAN, BICAMERAL WAY REALLY MOVED THE  BALL FORWARD.

>> Matt: OKAY.

90 SECONDS LEFT.

CLIMATE CHANGE.

HOW SERIOUS AN ISSUE IS IT RIGHT NOW?

>> Moores: NO QUESTION THAT WE HAVE TO CHANGE OUR ENERGY  SOURCES MOVING FORWARD FROM NUCLEAR, WIND AND SOLAR IS  HUGE IN NEW MEXICO.

LOOK AT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OF WIND  MILLS LIKE SAY IN TORRANCE COUNTY, FIRST CONGRESSIONAL  DISTRICT, HUGELY IMPORTANT FOR THE RANCHERS OUT THERE AND  ALSO FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS IN A LOCAL COMMUNITY TAX BASE  THAT DON'T HAVE OIL AND GAS.

BUT WE ALSO IN NEW MEXICO HAVE  ONE OF THE MOST VIBRANT OIL AND GAS INDUSTRIES THAT HAVE  134,000 JOBS.

AND SO IT IS FOOLISH OF US TO  SCRAP THAT LIKE MY OPPONENT WANTS TO DO AND PUT THOSE  PEOPLE OUT OF WORK IMMEDIATELY.

WE NEED TO TRANSITION.

WE ARE GOING TO TRANSITION  EVENTUALLY, BUT WE NEED TO ALSO MAKE SURE WE ARE  PROTECTING NEW MEXICO BECAUSE WHO IS GOING TO GET RID OF  THAT 40% OF THE REVENUE OF THAT OIL AND GAS INDUSTRY  BRINGS TO THE STATE OF NEW MEXICO FOR CAPITAL OUTLAY, FOR  POLICE OFFICERS, FOR OUR SCHOOLS.

WITHOUT THAT RESOURCE, NEW MEXICO IS EVEN WORSE OFF THAN  WE ARE NOW.

SO, IT IS FOOLISH TO ACTUALLY  CUT OFF THAT HUGE OPPORTUNITY FOR NEW MEXICO TO INVEST IN  ITSELF FOR THE FUTURE AS WE TRANSITION TO NEW ENERGY  SOURCES.

>> Matt: LASTLY AND QUICKLY,  WE HAVE A FEW SECONDS LEFT, BOTH YOU AND YOUR OPPONENT  HAVE RUN ATTACK ADS, A FACT OF LIFE, A FACT OF CAMPAIGNING.

SHE HAS, IN FACT, RUN A BILL THAT WOULD LOWER INCOME TAX  FOR SENIOR CITIZENS WHO ARE COLLECTING SOCIAL SECURITY.

>> Moores: SIGNED A BILL THAT WOULD DO THAT.

SHE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING DURING THE PANDEMIC.

HER PARTY IS IN FULL CONTROL OF THE STATE LEGISLATURE.

THEY PASSED EVERY ONE OF THEIR AGENDA ITEMS THIS LAST YEAR  THAT THEY WANTED TO AND WHEN IT CAME DOWN TO PROTECTING  SENIORS, SHE WAS NOWHERE TO BE FOUND.

I STOOD UP ON THE SENATE FLOOR DURING TAX BILL AND RAN AN  AMENDMENT AND THE IRONIC THING, WHEN I RAN THAT  AMENDMENT, ALL THE DEMOCRAT SENATORS WHO HAD SIGNED ON AS  SPONSORS TO THAT BILL, THEY VOTED NO.

THEY HAD THE POWER TO PROTECT OUR SENIORS, AS IN CONTROL OF  THE GOVERNORSHIP, HOUSE AND THE SENATE BY ALMOST TWO TO  ONE MARGINS.

THEY PASSED EVERY ONE OF THE  AGENDA ITEMS.

WHAT THEY SAID IS WE ARE GOING  TO SIGN THIS BILL BUT IT IS NOT REALLY OUR  AGENDA AND WE ARE NOT REALLY GOING TO DO THIS.

THAT IS WHAT POLITICIANS DO, NOT LEADERS.

WHAT YOU NEED TO DO IS ACTUALLY WHEN YOU SAY  SOMETHING, YOU DO IT, YOU JUST DON'T PUT YOUR NAME ON A PIECE  OF LEGISLATION AND SAY YOU DO SOMETHING, BECAUSE I THINK  THAT IS WHAT NEW MEXICANS ARE TIRED OF, POLITICIANS SERVING  THEMSELVES NOT THE PEOPLE OF NEW MEXICO.

>> Matt: MARK MOORES, WE ARE OUT OF TIME.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> Moores: THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> Gene: VOTERS IN THE JUNE FIRST SPECIAL ELECTION TO  REPLACE DEB HAALAND WILL SEE NOT JUST MARK MOORES' NAME ON  THE BALLOT BUT LIBERTARIAN CHRIS MANNING AND FORMER LAND  COMMISSIONER AUBREY DUNN AS WELL.

DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE IS MELANIE STANSBURY.

SHE IS A STATE REPRESENTATIVE FROM ALBUQUERQUE'S MID  HEIGHTS.

PRIOR TO BEING ELECTED IN 2018  SHE WORKED AS A U.S. SENATE STAFFER FOR ENERGY AND NATURAL  RESOURCES COMMITTEE AND IN THE OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND  BUDGET FOR PRESIDENT OBAMA.

SHE SAT DOWN WITH NMIF SENIOR  PRODUCER MATT GRUBS TO TALK ABOUT WHAT SHE WOULD LIKE TO  DO IN CONGRESS AND HOW THE NATIONAL CONVERSATION ABOUT  POLICE REFORM IMPACTS NEW MEXICO AND WHAT ROLE BORDER  POLITICS PLAYS IN A CENTRAL NEW MEXICO CONGRESSIONAL  DISTRICT.

>> Matt: REPRESENTATIVE  MELANIE STANSBURY, THANKS FOR SPENDING TIME WITH US.

WE APPRECIATE IT.

>> Stansbury: ABSOLUTELY.

IT IS GREAT TO BE HERE WITH YOU TODAY.

>> Matt: I WOULD LIKE TO START WITH CRIMINAL JUSTICE.

WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF A NATIONAL CONVERSATION ON  POLICING.

YOU HAVEN'T BEEN SHY ABOUT  ENGAGING WITH IT.

EVERYONE IS CLEAR ABOUT  ALBUQUERQUE'S -- AT LEAST THE DEPTH OF THE CRIME PROBLEM IN  ALBUQUERQUE WHEN IT COMES TO VIOLENT CRIME.

AS A CONGRESSWOMAN, HOW DO YOU SEE YOURSELF IMPACTING  ALBUQUERQUE?

>> Stansbury: AS YOU JUST  SAID, YOU KNOW, WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF A NATIONAL  CONVERSATION AROUND CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM AND POLICING  REFORM AND I THINK IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE  ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE SYSTEM IS REALLY BROKEN, THAT PEOPLE ARE  LITERALLY DYING AND THAT WE HAVE SERIOUS AND SYSTEMIC  ISSUES WITH OUR POLICING AND CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM.

AT THE SAME TIME THAT WE ALSO HAVE CRIME PROBLEMS IN THE  ALBUQUERQUE METRO AREA.

SO, I BELIEVE STRONGLY THAT WE  HAVE TO ADDRESS OUR PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUES BY INVESTING IN  SMART CRIME FIGHTING TECHNOLOGY, BY INSURING WE  HAVE SUFFICIENT NUMBERS OF PUBLIC SAFETY OFFICERS AND  THAT THEY HAVE GOOD TRAINING TO DO COMMUNITY POLICING AND  THE TOOLS AND RESOURCES TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES.

SO, AS A LEGISLATOR, I HAVE BEEN SERVING SINCE 2019 AND I  HAVE SPENT A LOT OF MY TIME THERE HELPING TO COORDINATE  THE CITY'S CAPITAL OUTLAY PROGRAM AROUND PUBLIC SAFETY.

AND IN DOING THAT WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO BRING HOME LITERALLY  10'S OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN PUBLIC SAFETY FUNDING WHICH IS  THE LARGEST AMOUNT OF PUBLIC SAFETY FUNDING EVER IN OUR  HISTORY TO COME HOME TO ALBUQUERQUE FROM THE  LEGISLATURE.

THAT IS FOR THINGS LIKE  GUNSHOT DETECTION AND ADDRESSING VIOLENT CRIME BUT  IT IS ALSO CLEAR THAT WHEN YOU TALK TO PUBLIC SAFETY OFFICERS  AND THE CHIEF OF POLICE THAT THE UNDERLYING REASONS WHY WE  HAVE SO MUCH CRIME IN ALBUQUERQUE ARE REALLY RELATED  TO OUR ECONOMY AND OUR BEHAVIORAL HEALTH CRISIS  ESPECIALLY DRUG USE AND CRIMES ASSOCIATED WITHS DRUG USE AND  DRUG TRAFFICKING.

SO, WE REALLY NEED TO REBUILD  OUR BEHAVIORAL HEALTH PROGRAMS.

WE NEED TO BE PROVIDING MORE ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES AND  FIXING OUR SCHOOLS AND IMPROVING EDUCATION AND WE  NEED TO BE REFORMING POLICING.

AS A CONGRESSWOMAN, IN TERMS  OF POLICE REFORM, I STRONGLY SUPPORT PASSING THE GEORGE  FLOYD JUSTICE IN POLICING ACT ENDING QUALIFIED IMMUNITY AT  THE FEDERAL LEVEL, ADDRESSING THE SYSTEMIC ISSUES AROUND  POLICING AND OUR CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM BUT ALSO  ENSURING WE ARE BRINGING RESOURCES HOME FOR SUPPORTING  BEHAVIORAL HEALTH, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND EDUCATION AS  WELL.

>> Matt: THOSE ARE ISSUES THAT  ARE ADDRESSED BROADLY IN THE BREATHE ACT WHICH IS SOMETHING  THAT YOU EXPRESSED SUPPORT FOR.

YOU SPENT A LOT OF TIME DEFENDING YOURSELF AGAINST IT  IN THE KOB DEBATE THIS WEEK.

I AM CERTAIN IT WILL COME UP  IN THE OTHER TWO THAT YOU HAVE.

WHAT DO YOU LIKE ABOUT THAT?

WHAT SEEMS TO FIT ABOUT THAT  PIECE OF LEGISLATION?

>> Stansbury: I THINK THAT  WHAT IS REALLY CRITICAL IS THAT WE HAVE A NATIONAL  CONVERSATION ABOUT POLICE REFORM AND THE BREATHE ACT IS  A CONCEPT.

IT IS AN OMNIBUS OF  LEGISLATION OF CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORMS AND I THINK  THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION AROUND POLICING  AND SYSTEMIC RACISM AND ADDRESSING THE SYSTEM BUT  ULTIMATELY AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHATEVER LEGISLATION  COMES BEFORE CONGRESS, WE'LL NEED TO MAKE SURE IT IS  IMPLEMENTABLE, THAT OUR COMMUNITIES ARE ABLE TO HAVE  THE TOOLS AND RESOURCES THEY NEED TO KEEP OUR COMMUNITIES  SAFE AND I JUST WANT TO SAY ON A PERSONAL NOTE, HAVING GROWN  UP HERE IN ALBUQUERQUE AND HAVING FAMILY MEMBERS WHO HAVE  INTERSECTED WITH THE POLICING AND CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM  BECAUSE THEY WERE STRUGGLING WITH ADDICTION, WE HAVE TO  MAKE INVESTMENTS IN OUR BEHAVIORAL HEALTH SYSTEM AND I  AM JUST GOING TO KEEP BEATING THAT DRUM OVER AND OVER AGAIN  BECAUSE OUR COMMUNITY WELLBEING IS AT THE HEART OF  ADDRESSING OUR CRIME PROBLEMS AND WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THOSE  ISSUES.

>> Matt: IF YOU LOOK AT THE  BREATHE ACT, IT SEEMS TO INCENTIVIZE MOVING TOWARDS  SOME OF THOSE THINGS.

IS THAT PART OF THE STRUCTURE  THAT YOU LIKE?

IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU DO  CERTAIN THINGS IN TERMS OF FUNDING THE POLICE, IT WOULD  PROVIDE GRANTS TO DO THINGS LIKE ADDRESS HOMELESSNESS,  BEHAVIORAL HEALTH.

IS THAT WHAT MAKES ITS  ATTRACTIVE?

>> Stansbury: AS I SAID, WE  NEED TO BE ADDRESSING POLICE REFORM IN AMERICA.

I AM INTERESTED IN SUPPORTING AND EMPOWERING AND CENTERING  OUR COMMUNITIES IN THAT CONVERSATION AND CONSIDERING  ANY KIND LEGISLATION THAT WILL HELP TO ADDRESS NOT ONLY OUR  CRIME EPIDEMIC BUT TO ADDRESS THE SYSTEMIC RACISM IS BUILT  INTO OUR VERY BROKEN CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM.

SO, I THINK WE NEED TO BE HAVING THESE CONVERSATIONS AT  A NATIONAL LEVEL AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR  COMMUNITIES ARE AT THE CENTER OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS AND  HELPING TO CRAFT THE OUTCOMES.

>> Matt: A TERM THAT HAS COME  UP IN THAT CONVERSATION IS DEFUND THE POLICE.

IT MEANS DIFFERENT THINGS TO DIFFERENT PEOPLE.

AS UNDERSTANDS IT OR AS YOU INTERPRET IT, WHAT DOES IT  MEAN?

DOES THAT TERM HOLD VALUE FOR  YOU?

>> Stansbury: I THINK THAT THE  TERM ITSELF IS A TERM THAT HAS BECOME EXTREMELY PROBLEMATIC  POLITICALLY.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT POLLING  AROUND THE TERM ITSELF, THERE ARE PEOPLE ON ALL SIDES OF THE  IDEOLOGICAL SPECTRUM AND TO THINK ABOUT THESE ISSUES THAT  DON'T LIKE THE PHRASE, RIGHT?

BECAUSE ULTIMATELY IF THE GOAL  OF INVESTING IN OUR COMMUNITY WHICH IS WHAT A LOT OF THE  CONVERSATION IS CENTERED AROUND, INVESTING IN  EDUCATION, BEHAVIORAL HEALTH AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS IS  THE ULTIMATE GOAL, THEN IT SEEMS LIKE THE LANGUAGE SHOULD  BE ABOUT INVESTING IN OUR COMMUNITIES NOT NECESSARILY  DIVESTING FROM PUBLIC SAFETY.

BUT I THINK STRONGLY HERE IN  ALBUQUERQUE WE HAVE TO DO BOTH.

WE HAVE TO INVEST IN COMMUNITY-BASED POLICE REFORMS  AND PUBLIC SAFETY AND WE HAVE TO BE INVESTING IN OUR  COMMUNITIES.

WE NEED TO BE DOING BOTH AT  THE SAME TIME.

>> Matt: THE DEPARTMENT OF  JUSTICE IS HERE AS PART OF A COURT AGREED SETTLEMENT  AGREEMENT OR COURT ADMINISTERED SETTLEMENT  AGREEMENT.

THE MONITOR, INDEPENDENT  MONITOR, CAME OUT WITH ANOTHER REPORT AND IT DOESN'T SHOW  THINGS GETTING BETTER IN TERMS OF THE DEPARTMENT EMBRACING  SOME OF THESE REFORMS.

POLICIES ARE IN PLACE BUT THE  TRAINING IS STARTING TO LACK AND PERHAPS MAYBE THE CULTURE  AT APD IS RESISTANT TO THAT CHANGE.

DO YOU SEE A REASON FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE TO STILL  BE HERE OR DO YOU THINK THAT IT IS TIME FOR THEM TO GO  AFTER BEING HERE SINCE, YOU KNOW, LATE 2014.

>> Stansbury: I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE LOOK AT THE  BIGGER STRUCTURAL ISSUES AROUND PUBLIC SAFETY,  RESOURCES, FUNDING AND STAFFING IN THE CITY OF  ALBUQUERQUE TO CONTEXTUALIZE WHAT IS HAPPENING AROUND OUR  POLICE FORCE.

WHEN YOU TALK TO OUR POLICE  CHIEF AND FOLKS WHO HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG TIME, ONE OF  THE THINGS THEY WILL POINT TO IS, WE ARE SEVERELY  UNDERSTAFFED.

FOR EXAMPLE, WHERE I LIVE UP  IN THE FOOTHILLS OUR LOCAL AREA COMMAND, WE HAVE OFFICERS  WHO ARE WORKING DOUBLE OR TRIPLE THE NORMAL SHIFTS THEY  SHOULD BE WORKING BECAUSE THERE ARE LITERALLY NOT ENOUGH  OFFICERS IN OUR POLICE FORCE.

PART OF THAT IS THAT WE ARE  ONE OF THE LOWEST PAYING POLICE FORCES IN THE COUNTRY.

AND SO, WE HAVE SOME STRUCTURE ISSUES AROUND RECRUITMENT,  RETENTION, TRAINING AND I THINK THERE IS A LOT OF WORK  BEING DONE RIGHT NOW TO CHANGE THE TRAINING MODELS OF OUR  POLICE FORCE AND CHANGE THE CULTURE, BUT PART OF THAT IS  WE HAVE TO BE SUFFICIENTLY STAFFED.

WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE SMART TOOLS AND  TECHNOLOGIES BUT ALSO, YES, WE DO HAVE TO BE ADDRESSING THAT  THERE HAS BEEN AN OVER-USE OF FORCE IN OUR LOCAL POLICING  AND THAT IT HAS LED TO THE DEATHS OF A NUMBER OF PEOPLE  IN OUR COMMUNITY.

SO, I THINK YOU CAN REFORM THE  CULTURE AND PROVIDE APPROPRIATE RESOURCES TO  ADDRESS OUR PUBLIC SAFETY NEEDS AND STILL HAVE  APPROPRIATE OVERSIGHT TO ENSURE THAT PEOPLES CIVIL AND  HUMAN RIGHTS ARE BEING PROTECTED AT THE SAME TIME.

I THINK THAT WE NEED ALL OF THE ABOVE TO ADDRESS OUR  CHALLENGES.

>> Matt: OKAY.

IN TERMS OF BORDER ISSUES.

WE ARE NOT A BORDER DISTRICT  IN CD1 BUT RIGHT NEXT DOOR AND HARD TO SEPARATE IN MANY WAYS  PEOPLES LIVED EXPERIENCES FROM THAT.

YOUR APPROACH, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, IS SOMEWHAT SIMILAR TO  CRIMINAL JUSTICE IN THAT IT LOOKS AT THE SYSTEM AND  PERHAPS WORKING ON SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE CAUSING PEOPLE  TO LEAVE THEIR HOMES AND TRY TO COME TO THE U.S.

THERE ARE NUMBER OF WAYS TO GET AT THIS BUT FIRST LET'S  TALK ABOUT SECURITY.

IS THERE A BORDER SECURITY  CRISIS OR IS THE CRISIS IN THE ARRIVAL OF MIGRANTS?

>> Stansbury: I AM GOING TO TURN YOUR FRAMING ON ITS HEAD.

BECAUSE I THINK THE CRISIS IS A HUMAN AND ECONOMIC SECURITY  CRISIS.

WE HAVE PLACES IN NORTH AND  SOUTH AMERICA WHERE THERE IS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF ECONOMIC  INSECURITY, DROUGHT AND OTHER THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING IN  COMMUNITIES AND WE ARE SEEING THE ARRIVAL OF THOUSANDS OF  PEOPLE WHO ARE FLEEING ECONOMIC OR VIOLENT OR, YOU  KNOW, DROUGHT ISSUES IN THEIR HOME COUNTRIES.

AND TRULY, I  BELIEVE, THAT THE BEST SECURITY IS ADDRESSING THE  SECURITY OF OUR HEMISPHERE IN TERMS OF HUMAN RIGHTS AND  ECONOMIC SECURITY.

SO THE KIND OF INVESTMENTS WE  SEE OUR PRESIDENT AND VICE PRESIDENT WORKING ON TO ENSURE  WE ARE PROVIDING HUMANITARIAN AND ECONOMIC AID TO THOSE  PLACES AND TO THE PEOPLE THERE, BUT THE REALITY OF THE  SITUATION IS THAT LITERALLY THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE ARE  SHOWING UP AT OUR BORDER SEEKING ASYLUM.

PEOPLE WHO HAVE TRAVELED HUNDREDS OF MILES ON FOOT AND  THOUSANDS OF CHILDREN ARRIVING WITHOUT THEIR PARENTS.

SO, IT IS INCUMBENT I BELIEVE ON OUR COUNTRY TO ADDRESS THE  HUMANITARIAN NEEDS OF PEOPLE SEEKING ASYLUM ON OUR BORDER  THROUGH THAT HUMANITARIAN LENS.

>> Matt: WHAT DOES THAT MEAN IN TERMS OF A NOW FIX?

IS THAT DOING THINGS LIKE ADDING MORE FEDERAL JUDGES,  ADDING MORE ADMINISTRATIVE POSITIONS, ADDING MORE BORDER  PATROL AGENTS.

WHAT FEELS TO YOU LIKE A GOOD  STEP FORWARD RIGHT NOW?

>> Stansbury: IN TERMS OF NEXT  STEPS I THINK THAT THERE IS A LOT OF WORK BEING DONE  CURRENTLY BY THE ADMINISTRATION TO FIGURE OUT  HOW TO BEST HELP AND SECURE THE HUMAN RIGHTS OF PEOPLE WHO  ARE ARRIVING AND TO HELP THEM GET WHEREVER ULTIMATELY THEY  ARE TRYING TO GO, BUT I THINK IT IS A RESOURCES ISSUE.

I USED TO WORK, WE WERE TALKING BEFORE WE STARTED  HERE, AS A BUDGET ANALYST IN THE WHITE HOUSE BUDGET OFFICE  AND WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE SUFFICIENT RESOURCES TO HELP  ADDRESS ESPECIALLY A HUGE INCREASE IN WHATEVER  ACTIVITIES, IN THIS CASE, PEOPLE ARRIVING AT THE BORDER,  IT IS REALLY A RESOURCES ISSUE.

IT IS REALLY CRITICAL WE ADDRESS THAT.

I THINK THERE ARE ALSO LEGAL ISSUES AROUND HOW PEOPLE MOVE  THROUGH THE COURT SYSTEM AND THE ASYLUM THAT CLEARLY NEEDS  FIXING AND ULTIMATELY WE NEED TO PUT IN PLACE A FAIR AND  EQUITABLE AND JUST ASYLUM SYSTEM SO THAT PEOPLE CAN COME  HERE SAFELY, SEEK ASYLUM AND HAVE DUE PROCESS.

>> Matt: HOW QUICKLY SHOULD THAT DUE PROCESS HAPPEN; SIX  MONTHS, TWO YEARS?

WHAT FEELS JUST TO YOU?

>> Stansbury: I THINK AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN ENSURE THAT  PEOPLE ARE SAFE AND THAT THEIR RIGHTS, CIVIL AND HUMAN ARE  PROTECTED AND PEOPLE CAN GET ON WITH LIVING THEIR LIVES.

>> Matt: WE HAVE A LOT OF THE SAME ISSUES HERE IN NEW MEXICO  BUT ALSO IN THE U.S. WE HAVE COMMUNITIES THAT ARE  SUFFERING FROM POVERTY, FROM DROUGHT, THAT SORT OF THING.

WE STRUGGLE TO FIX THOSE ISSUES HERE.

IS NECESSARILY GIVING MONEY TO HONDURAS OR GUATEMALA, IS THAT  A REALISTIC FIX.

>> Stansbury: SO,   I THINK IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT THAT THESE  QUESTIONS DON'T GET POSED AS EITHER OR BECAUSE IT IS THE  WRONG WAY TO LOOK AT IT.

ULTIMATELY THE SECURITY OF OUR  COUNTRY AND HUMAN WELLBEING OF THE PLANET AND PEOPLE ACROSS  THE WORLD IS A QUESTION BOTH OF SORT OF NATIONAL SECURITY,  ECONOMIC SECURITY, HUMAN RIGHTS AND THE UNITED STATES  IS A GLOBAL CITIZEN.

WHAT IS OUR ROLE IN THE WORLD?

I WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT OUR ROLE IS TO BE A GOOD GLOBAL  CITIZEN, TO BE A HUMANITARIAN CITIZEN AND ALSO TAKE CARE OF  OUR PEOPLE.

I THINK THAT WE ARE A  PROSPEROUS COUNTRY.

WE HAVE THE RESOURCES AND  TOOLS TO HELP OUR PEOPLE PROSPER BOTH IN OUR OWN  BORDERS AS WELL AS PEOPLE SUFFERING IN OTHER PLACES.

I THINK WE HAVE TO DO BOTH.

>> Matt: I KNOW CLIMATE CHANGE  IS VERY IMPORTANT TO YOU.

THE ENERGY PART OF THAT, HOW  DOES NEW MEXICO WALK THAT FINE LINE BETWEEN REALIZING THAT  THE EXTRACTIVE INDUSTRY MEANS SO MUCH TO THE STATE BUDGET,  AS YOU WELL KNOW, BUT ALSO KNOWING THAT IT CONTRIBUTES TO  CLIMATE CHANGE.

THAT IS SORT OF UNDENIABLE.

THAT DOESN'T STOP FOLKS FROM DENYING IT, BUT THE SCIENCE IS  PRETTY CLEAR.

HOW DO WE WALK THAT LINE  BETWEEN RECOGNIZING THIS IS VITAL TO THE STATE BUDGET AND  SHIFTING AWAY FROM IT AND NOT HURTING THOSE COMMUNITIES THAT  RELY ON IT?

>> Stansbury: SO, AS I AM SURE  YOU ARE AWARE, I HAVE WORKED IN THE SCIENCES MOST OF MY  CAREER AND WORK AT THE SORT OF TRANSLATIONAL SPACE BETWEEN  THE PHYSICAL SCIENCES AND THE SOCIAL SCIENCES AND POLICY AND  I WORK SPECIFICALLY ON CLIMATE CHANGE AND DROUGHT ISSUES.

HOW TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PHYSICAL SCIENCE IS TELLING US  ABOUT WHAT CLIMATE CHANGE IS DOING AND HOW DO WE PLAN FOR  THOSE IMPACTS AND ADJUST AND SINCE I HAVE BEEN SERVING IN  THE LEGISLATURE SINCE 2019, I HAVE SPONSORED CLIMATE  LEGISLATION EVERY SINGLE SESSION.

SO, TO ADDRESS CLIMATE CHANGE WE HAVE TO ADDRESS OUR  GREENHOUSE GAS FOOTPRINT.

THAT IS THE GREENHOUSE GASES  THAT ARE BEING EMITTED BY ALL DIFFERENT SECTORS OF OUR  SOCIETY.

WE NEED TO ADDRESS IMPACTS  THAT ARE ALREADY HERE BECAUSE THE SCIENCE IS CLEAR WE ARE  ALREADY EXPERIENCING FIRES AND DROUGHTS BECAUSE OF THE  CHANGES THAT ARE OCCURRING.

AND WE NEED TO DIVERSIFY OUR  ECONOMIES AND ESPECIALLY IN THE COMMUNITIES WHERE  INDUSTRIES MAY BE SHIFTING AS A RESULT OF OUR ULTIMATE  ECONOMIC AND ENVIRONMENTAL GOALS.

SO, KIND OF TAKING IT AS A WHOLE PICTURE, YOU KNOW,  ULTIMATELY HOW DO YOU GET TO CARBON NEUTRAL IS WHAT OUR  GOAL IS WITH RESPECT TO ADDRESSING THE CLIMATE CRISIS.

YOU CAN DO THAT THROUGH A COMBINATION OF TECHNOLOGY, BY  CAPTURING GREENHOUSE GASES IN VARIOUS INDUSTRIAL AND OTHER  PROCESSES, SWITCHING TO ZERO CARBON UTILITIES AND CARS AND  THINGS LIKE THAT, BRINGING MORE RENEWABLES ONLINE AND  CARBON SEQUESTRATION.

AND NEW MEXICO HAS A HUGE  POTENTIAL TO BE A GIANT CARBON SINK AS WE REFOREST NORTHERN  NEW MEXICO, IN PARTICULAR.

SO, ULTIMATELY, I THINK THE  QUESTION NEEDS TO BE HOW DO WE GET TO A CARBON NEUTRAL FUTURE  IN NEW MEXICO?

IT WILL PROBABLY BE A  COMBINATION OF ALL THOSE THINGS THAT I JUST TALKED  ABOUT, BUT I DO THINK THAT WE'RE SEEING THIS WITH THE  ENERGY TRANSITION ACT THAT PASSED IN 2019 THAT THERE ARE  IMPACTS TO COMMUNITIES AS WE GO TO CARBON ZERO.

AND I SHARED THIS STORY IN MANY PLACES, I WAS BORN IN  FARMINGTON.

GREW UP HERE IN ALBUQUERQUE  BUT MY MOM WORKED AT THE SAN JUAN POWER PLANT WHICH IS THE  POWER PLANT CURRENTLY UNDERGOING CLOSURES AS PNM  MAKES ZERO CARBON TRANSITIONS.

AND THE TRUTH IS THOSE ARE  GOOD UNION PAYING JOBS ESPECIALLY IN RURAL  COMMUNITIES AND SO HOW DO YOU MAKE THAT ECONOMIC TRANSITION?

TO ME THE ANSWER IS YOU NEED TO EMPOWER COMMUNITIES TO  REALLY REIMAGINE THEIR ECONOMIC FUTURES.

YOU HAVE TO GIVE THEM TOOLS AND RESOURCES AND ECONOMIC  PLANNING OPPORTUNITIES FOR COMMUNITIES TO REALLY THINK  ABOUT WHAT ARE THE INDUSTRIES THAT WOULD WORK HERE AND HOW  WOULD WE BUILD THOSE OUT OVER TIME.

NOW, HOW DOES THAT IMPACT THE BUDGET?

ULTIMATELY WE HAVE TO  GROW AND DIVERSIFY OUR ECONOMY OVERALL TO MAKE FOR LOST  REVENUE WE MIGHT HAVE AS THIS BIG TRANSITION IS HAPPENING  AND NEW MEXICO HAS A NUMBER OF HUGELY BURGEONING INDUSTRIES  WHERE I THINK WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY LEAN IN.

SO OUR SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY COMMUNITY.

WE HAVE OUR  NATIONAL LABS AND AIR FORCE RESEARCH LABS AND ALL OF THAT,  SO DOING MORE TECH TRANSFER.

WE HAVE A HIGH TECH INDUSTRY,  ENTERTAINMENT, AGRICULTURE.

ARTS.

THERE IS A LOT OF AMAZING PLACES WHERE WE CAN GROW AND  DIVERSIFY OUR ECONOMY LONG-TERM AND WE HAVE TO DO  BOTH THE SHORT-TERM AND THE LONG-TERM WORK TO GET THERE.

>> Matt: WE HAVE JUST A COUPLE OF MINUTES LEFT.

FROM A  FEDERAL PERSPECTIVE, DOES THAT LOOK LIKE WRITING TAXATION  FRAMEWORKS THAT FAVOR THOSE INDUSTRIES OR HELP THOSE  INDUSTRIES ALONG?

DOES IT LOOK LIKE GRANTS?

DO YOU HAVE A SENSE OF THAT?

>> Stansbury: THIS LAST  LEGISLATIVE SESSION I WORKED ON A BILL WITH MY CO-SPONSOR  REPRESENTATIVE TO DO ALL THREE OF THOSE THINGS, SO IT IS TO  ADDRESS OUR GREENHOUSE GAS FOOTPRINT, TO ADDRESS IMPACTS  OF CLIMATE CHANGE AND DIVERSIFY OUR ECONOMY AND IT  INCLUDES KIND OF CONVENING ALL THE STAKEHOLDERS INCLUDING  INDUSTRY AND FRONT LINE COMMUNITIES AND WORKERS TO  COME UP WITH NEW IDEAS FOR THE ECONOMY.

IT INCLUDES BRINGING IN GRANTS, RESOURCES, SCIENCE, WE  NEED SCIENCE, AND IT INCLUDES CREATING SORT OF THE FRAMEWORK  WITHIN WHICH YOU GET TO NET ZERO.

SO THAT INCLUDES PROVIDING STATUTORY FRAMEWORKS THAT  DRIVE OUR COUNTRY TOWARDS A NET ZERO OUTCOME IN TERMS OF  GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS.

AND HOW YOU GET THERE?

ULTIMATELY AMERICANS ARE HUGELY INNOVATIVE.

I STRONGLY BELIEVE THAT WE WILL GET TO A NET ZERO FUTURE  IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF DECADES AND WE JUST HAVE TO PROVIDE  ALL OF THE SUPPORT AND FRAMEWORKS TO OUR INDUSTRIES  TO GET THERE AND INVEST IN OUR GREEN ENERGY ECONOMY.

>> Matt: WE HAVE LESS THAN A MINUTE LEFT, BUT I WANTED TO  TALK AS I SPOKE WITH YOUR OPPONENT ABOUT NEGATIVE ADS.

THEY ARE A FACT OF LIFE IN RUNNING.

ONE OF YOURS FOCUSES ON SENATOR MOORES AND SAYS THAT,  QUOTE, HE OPPOSED EVERY MEASURE TO HELP PEOPLE DURING  THE PANDEMIC.

THAT IS KIND OF PROVABLY  FALSE.

WHY CHOOSE TO GO THERE?

>> Stansbury: I THINK UNFORTUNATELY RIGHT OUT OF THE  GATE, SEVERAL WEEKS AGO THE NEGATIVE ADS STARTED BEING  LODGED IN OUR DIRECTION WHICH WERE JUST COMPLETELY FACTUALLY  UNTRUE AND I THINK OUR RESPONSE WAS TO ASK A VERY  SERIOUS QUESTION, WHICH IS WHY WOULD THE PRIMARY REPUBLICAN  NOMINEE OPPOSE FEDERAL RELIEF AT THE SAME TIME THAT HE WAS  TAKING IT?

I THINK THAT IS A QUESTION  THAT VOTERS REALLY NEED TO THINK ABOUT.

BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT  THINGS THAT WHOEVER GOES TO CONGRESS IS GOING TO DO IS TO  HELP OUR COMMUNITIES GET THROUGH THE PANDEMIC.

SO, WE NEED SOMEBODY WHO IS GOING TO WASHINGTON TO FIGHT  FOR INFRASTRUCTURE, FIGHT FOR FEDERAL DOLLARS TO MAKE SURE  THERE IS MONEY IN THE POCKETS OF HARD WORKING NEW MEXICANS  AND ENSURE THAT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THERE IS SOMEBODY  SERVING WHO KNOWS OUR COMMUNITIES, WHO KNOWS THE  SCIENCE AND LOOKS OUT FOR OUR BEST INTERESTS AND THAT IS WHY  I AM RUNNING AND I BELIEVE THAT IT IS ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL  WE ELECT SOMEBODY THAT IS GOING LOOK OUT FOR THE BEST  INTERESTS OF OUR COMMUNITY.

>> Matt: REPRESENTATIVE  STANSBURY, WE ARE OUT OF TIME.

THANK YOU FOR YOURS.

APPRECIATE IT.

>> Stansbury: THANK YOU.

IT HAS BEEN WONDERFUL TO BE HERE.

>> Gene: AS I MENTIONED EARLIER CHRIS MANNING AND  AUBREY DUNN WILL BE ON THE BALLOT AS LIBERTARIAN AND  INDEPENDENT CANDIDATES RESPECTIVELY.

WE'LL HAVE THEIR LINKS TO CAMPAIGNS ON OUR SHOW WEBSITE.

NOW, FOR THE FIRST TIME THIS WEEKEND, BERNALILLO, SANDOVAL,  DONA ANA AND SANTA FE COUNTIES ARE ALL TURQUOISE WHICH MEANS  THIS WEEKEND WE MOVE TO 75% CAPACITY IN RESTAURANTS AND  MOST OUTDOOR AREAS.

HAIR SALONS GET TO 75% AS WELL  AND MASS GATHERINGS GO FROM 20 TO 150.

BIG DIFFERENCE.

THIS PAST WEEK IN THE RAIL  YARDS MARKET OPENING, BEES ARE IN THE AIR AND IT FEELS SO  FREEING, DOESN'T IT?

I AM GRATEFUL.

I AM SURE YOU ARE AS WELL.

BUT THERE IS STILL THE  CONTINUING ISSUE OF VACCINATIONS AND THE WILLING  OR MORE ACCURATELY THE UNWILLING.

WHAT THAT MEANS FOR THE REST OF US.

YOU MAY HAVE SEEN IN THE PAPER THAT THE UNIVERSITY OF NEW  MEXICO IS CONSIDERING REQUIRING STUDENTS AND STAFF  BE VACCINATED TO RETURN TO CAMPUS THIS FALL.

UNM ISN'T FIRST AND WILL NOT BE THE LAST INSTITUTION TO  WRESTLE WITH THIS COLLISION OF WHERE PERSONAL FREEDOMS  INTERSECT WITH RESPONSIBILITIES TO KEEP STAFF  AND STUDENTS SAFE.

WHAT IS YOUR OPINION?

I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS ONE.

BEST PLACE FOR THAT IS THE FOCUS ON NEW MEXICO FACEBOOK  PAGE.

THANKS AGAIN FOR JOINING US  AND STAYING INFORMED AND ENGAGED.

SEE YOU AGAIN NEXT WEEK IN FOCUS.