Greater Boston
June 12, 2023
Season 2023 Episode 85 | 28m 30sVideo has Closed Captions
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June 12, 2023
Season 2023 Episode 85 | 28m 30sVideo has Closed Captions
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Learn Moreabout PBS online sponsorshipJENIFER: I'’M JENIFER MCKIM.
TONIGHT ON "GREATER BOSTON," WE WILL DIG INTO THE CHARGES ON FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP AND THE VIOLENT RHETORIC TRUMP SUPPORTERS ARE RESPONDING WITH.
SHOULD WE BE CONCERNED ABOUT ANOTHER JANUARY 6 STYLE ATTACK?
AND, LOCAL INEQUALITY AT A GROCERY STORE.
A GROUP OF TEENAGERS FOUND INEQUALITIES AT A GROCERY STORE AND JOIN ME, AHEAD.
IT WAS NOT JUST MISPLACED MEMOS.
IN A NEARLY 50 PAGE INDICTMENT DETAILING 37 CHARGES INCLUDING VIOLATIONS OF THE ESPIONAGE ACT, FEDERAL PROSECUTORS ACCUSED FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP OF ILLEGALLY HOLDING ONTO HUNDREDS OF CLASSIFIED AND TOP-SECRET DOCUMENTS.
THOSE INCLUDED INFO ABOUT DEFENSE AND WEAPONS CAPABILITIES, NUCLEAR PROGRAMS AND POTENTIAL VULNERABILITIES OF THE U.S. AND ALLIES, WHICH WOULD POSE DAMAGE TO NATIONAL SECURITY IN THE WRONG HANDS.
PROSECUTORS SAY TRUMP KEPT THAT SENSITIVE INFORMATION STREWN ABOUT HIS FLORIDA ESTATE WITH BOXES STACKED UP IN A STORAGE ROOM, BATHROOM AND BALLROOM OF MAR-A-LAGO.
THE FEDS INCLUDE CONVERSATION TRUMP KNEW WHAT HE WAS DOING WAS WRONG.
AFTER SHOWING A WRITER, PUBLISHER AND TWO STAFFERS A SERIES OF DOCUMENTS HE SAID, ISN'’T THAT AMAZING, EXCEPT IT IS HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL, SECRET EVERY THIS IS SECRET INFORMATION.
LOOK AT THIS.
TRUMP LATER ACKNOWLEDGED THEY WERE NOT DECLASSIFIED.
HE SAID AS PRESIDENT I COULD HAVE DECLASSIFIED IT, NOW I CAN'’T, BUT IT IS STILL A SECRET.
NOW AHEAD OF HIS INDICTMENT THE FORMER PRESIDENT AND CURRENT PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE SAYS HE DID NOTHING WRONG.
MR. TRUMP: I AM AN INNOCENT MAN, AN INNOCENT PERSON.
JENIFER: THAT IS UP FOR A JUDGE TO DECIDE.
I AM JOINED BY MICHAEL ASTRUE, FORMER COUNSEL TO PRESIDENTS REAGAN AND GW BUSH.
CAN YOU LET US KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN TOMORROW?
MICHAEL: BASICALLY THE START OF THE TRIAL AND ONE THING THAT IS A SURPRISE IS, JUDGE EILEEN CANNON WHO HANDLED THE CIVIL PART OF THIS DISPUTE LOOKS LIKE SHE WILL BE HANDLING THE TRIAL AND THAT WILL BE A BIT OF A GAME CHANGER.
IF YOU LOOK AT HOW SHE HANDLED THE CIVIL TRIAL, SHE LEANED FAR IN FAVOR OF PRESIDENT TRUMP AND DID NOT SHOW MUCH OF AN UNDERSTANDING OF THE CONSTITUTION AND GOT SLAPPED DOWN BY THE 11TH CIRCUIT COURT OF APPEALS.
THE FIRST THING IS TO SEE HOW JUDGE CANNON IS HANDLING EARLY MOTIONS.
THE SECOND IMPORTANT THING TO LOOK FOR IS WHAT KIND OF LEGAL TEAM DOES HE HAVE?
PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS ALWAYS BEEN TOUGH ON LAWYERS.
HE HAS NOT HAD EFFECTIVE LEGAL REPRESENTATION SINCE HE LEFT THE WHITE HOUSE UNTIL FAIRLY RECENTLY.
HIS RECENT TEAM HAS BEEN IMPRESSIVE, BUT THEY HAVE ALL EITHER QUIT OR BEEN FIRED AND I THINK HE IS DOWN TO ONE LAWYER, LAST I HEARD.
MY GUESS IS THE FIRST THING THAT HAPPENS WILL BE A REQUEST FOR A DELAY AND THAT HE DOES NOT HAVE APPROPRIATE REPRESENTATION OF COUNSEL.
THAT MAY BE A SIGN OF WHAT IS TO COME.
IF YOU READ THE INDICTMENT, AND I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO DO IT.
PBS HAS DONE A GREAT SERVICE BY PUTTING IT ON THEIR WEBSITE.
IT IS STRAIGHTFORWARD.
IF YOU ARE A JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL STUDENT, YOU CAN READ THIS AND UNDERSTAND IT.
IT HELPS A LOT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS GOING ON.
HE DOES NOT HAVE A LOT OF GOOD OPTIONS.
JENIFER: SO INTERESTING YOU SET ABOUT READING THE DOCUMENTS.
I READ THEM AND YES, THERE IS SO MUCH INTERESTING STUFF FOR ANYBODY TO READ.
AS WE SAW, HE SAID HE DID NOTHING WRONG, CALLS IT A WITCH HUNT, THAT IT IS POLITICALLY MOTIVATED.
AND HE COMPARES HIMSELF TO PRESIDENT BIDEN WHO WE ALSO FOUND CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS IN HIS GARAGE IN HIS HOUSE AND HILLARY CLINTON'’S EMAILS.
WHAT DISTINGUISHES WHAT HE DID TO THEM?
MICHAEL: IT IS A VERY SKILLFUL INDICTMENT.
WHEN YOU READ IT CAREFULLY, WHAT THEY HAVE DONE IS ANTICIPATE THAT OBJECTION.
THE ACTUAL REMOVAL OF THE DOCUMENTS FROM THE WHITE HOUSE TO RESIDENCES IN FLORIDA AND NEW JERSEY IS NOT THE BASIS FOR THE COUNTS.
EVERYTHING GOES TO WHAT HAPPENED AFTER THE GOVERNMENT STARTED SAYING, WE NEED TO GET THESE BACK.
DID THEY GET THEM BACK, WAS IT TRUTHFUL, WAS THERE OTHER OBSTRUCTION?
THAT IS HOW THEY BUILT THEIR WHOLE CASE.
IT LIMITS THE PRESIDENT'’S ABILITY TO SCREAM SELECTIVE PROSECUTION.
EVEN IF THEY HAD NOT DONE THAT, IT IS NOT MUCH OF A DEFENSE.
THERE WAS A 1996 SUPREME COURT CASE CALLED ARMSTRONG THAT BLEW OUT SELECTIVE PROSECUTION AS A DEFENSE IN CRIMINAL CASES.
PETER NAVARRO, A SENIOR OFFICIAL AT THE TRUMP WHITE HOUSE, TRIED TO RAISE ONE RECENTLY AND GOT BLOWN OUT OF THE WATER IN THE COURTS AS WELL.
IT DOES NOT HELP FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE.
THE ONLY WEDGE IS IF YOU MAKE THIS CASE IN THE COURT OF OPINION AND IT STARTS INFILTRATING TO PEOPLE WHO SERVE ON THE JURY.
AS MUCH AS YOU TRY TO SCREEN PEOPLE, YOU CANNOT, 100%.
TO THE EXTENT THAT TAKES, YOU COULD SEE A JUROR OR TWO HOLDING OUT BECAUSE THEY HAVE A SENSE OF UNFAIRNESS EVEN THOUGH THE JUDGE, IF THEY ARE HANDLING THE CASE CORRECTLY, WILL TELL THE JURY THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO CONSIDER THAT.
IF THE JUDGE BREAKS RANKS AND DOES SOMETHING UNUSUAL, THEY HAVE TO DO IT ALL OVER AGAIN AND TO THE COURT OF APPEALS WILL TELL HER HOW TO INSTRUCT THE JURY.
JENIFER: IT HAS BEEN IMPRESSIVE ALREADY.
WE ARE HEARING A LOT OF SUPPORTERS OF TRUMP GOING ALONG WITH THIS IDEA IT IS A WITCH HUNT AND SAYING IT IS A DECLARATION OF WAR THAT THE U.S. -- ONE PERSON WE HEARD THE IS FORMER GUBERNATORIAL CANDIDATE KARI LAKE WHO SAID THIS -- >> IF YOU WANT TO GET THE PRESIDENT TRUMP, YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH ME AND 75 MILLION AMERICANS JUST LIKE ME.
MOST OF US ARE CARD-CARRYING MEMBERS OF THE NRA.
JENIFER: HOW CONCERNED ARE YOU ABOUT THREATS OF VIOLENCE LIKE THAT?
MICHAEL: VERY CONCERNED.
WE HAD JANUARY 6.
I THINK SOME OF THE FABRIC OF OUR DEMOCRACY HAS BEEN TORN AND PEOPLE ARE MORE WILLING TO RESORT TO VIOLENCE THAN IN THE PAST.
IT IS BOTH EXTREMES, BUT PEOPLE LIKE KARI LAKE ARE DELIBERATELY STIRRING IT UP AND THAT IS REPREHENSIBLE.
JENIFER: WHEN WE LOOK AT BEFORE JANUARY 6, TO THIS, WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THEN AND NOW?
DO YOU THINK THE VALIDITY IS THERE?
MICHAEL: THE DIFFERENCES?
JENIFER: IS THE GOVERNMENT MORE PREPARED FOR SOMETHING, ARE WE IN A DIFFERENT PLACE?
MICHAEL: I THINK WE HAVE BEEN MOVING IN THIS DIRECTION SLOWLY FOR A LONG TIME AND MORE AGGRESSIVELY IN RECENT YEARS.
RAGE IS MUCH MORE A PART OF VOTER DECISION-MAKING THAN IT USED TO BE.
I DID DOOR-TO-DOOR IN THE NEW HAMPSHIRE PRIMARY IN 2016.
THEY HAVE ALWAYS BEEN A TOUGH CROWD, BUT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO WOULD SCREAM AT ME, NOT KNOWING EVEN WHICH CAMPAIGN I WAS WITH, WAS REMARKABLE.
AND THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE TRYING TO DECIDE BETWEEN SANDERS AND TRUMP WAS REMARKABLE, BECAUSE IT WAS ALL ABOUT WHICH CANDIDATE WAS CHANNELING THE RAGE.
WE HAVE MOVED TO BEING A MUCH MORE ANGRY CULTURE.
THE WASHINGTON CULTURE HAS CHANGED.
WHEN I SERVED IN THE WHITE HOUSE, IT WAS STILL CLOSE ENOUGH TO THE WATERGATE ERA THAT WATERGATE REFORMS WERE PRETTY SACROSANCT.
ON A BIPARTISAN BASIS, THE LAWYERS FOR CARTER HELPED US WHEN WE CAME IN.
WE HELPED THE CLINTON LAWYERS WHEN THEY CAME.
THERE IS A FEELING, WE DO NOT WANT TO GO DOWN THIS ROAD AGAIN.
BUT WHEN I WAS BACK IN WASHINGTON LAST TIME, I OBSERVED A LOT OF THOSE THINGS HAD ERODED.
THE CARE FOR THE ETHICS REVIEW AND FBI BACKGROUND CHECKS, A LOT HAD BEEN THROWN OUT, AND THAT IS DISTURBING.
THOSE LITTLE THINGS THAT ARE THE BASIS FOR A SECURE DEMOCRACY HAD BEEN ERODED SUBSTANTIALLY.
JENIFER: WHAT DO YOU THINK THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD DO NOW TO MAKE SURE WE DO NOT HAVE A REPETITION OF JANUARY 6?
MICHAEL: I DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE GOVERNMENT CAN DO.
THE GOVERNMENT CAN PROVIDE MORE SECURITY, BUT ULTIMATELY, THIS IS A CULTURAL PROBLEM.
WE DO NOT BELIEVE AND PROTECT DEMOCRACY THE WAY WE ONCE DID.
IT IS IMPORTANT FOR GROUPS THAT CAN HAVE A SAY TO GET TOGETHER ON A BIPARTISAN BASIS AND TRY TO WORK TOGETHER TO MOVE US BACK IN THE DIRECTION WHERE WE ARE TALKING TO EACH OTHER CIVILLY, RESPECTING LAWS THAT HAVE BEEN PASSED, AND REVIEW LAWS TO MAKE SURE THEY STILL MAKE SENSE.
THAT KIND OF DIALOGUE IS NOT HAPPENING IN WASHINGTON ANYMORE.
WE NEED GROUPS AND INDIVIDUALS TO START PRESSING THEIR ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES TO TELL THEM THIS IS IMPORTANT.
JENIFER: WE ARE HEADING INTO THIS NEW CRIMINAL CASE, AS WELL AS SEVERAL OTHERS LIKELY SHOWING UP.
IN THIS ONE, WHAT DO YOU THINK THE TIMELINE IS?
MICHAEL: THAT WILL BE INTERESTING.
PRESIDENT TRUMP DOES NOT HAVE A LOT OF OPTIONS.
ONE OF THEM IS TO HAVE GROUNDWATER AND TRY TO DELAY IT THROUGH THE ELECTION AND IF HE WINS, WILL GO INTO A FULL CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS.
HE MAY SEE THAT AS HIS ONLY WAY THROUGH.
I AM REASONABLY CONFIDENT WE WILL START SEEING DELAYING TACTICS, A REQUEST FOR DELAY SO HE CAN GET A FULL LEGAL TEAM.
HE MAY GO AHEAD AND TRY TO DO THE SELECTIVE PROSECUTION DEFENSE TO SIMPLY EAT UP TIME, TO HAVE JUDGE CANNON DECIDE, AND POSSIBLY HAVE TO GO UP TO THE COURT OF APPEALS AGAIN TO GET HER DECISION CLARIFIED.
THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS A SKILLED LEGAL TEAM CAN DO TO DELAY A CRIMINAL TRIAL.
HOW LONG DID IT TAKE TO PROSECUTE THE BOMBERS HERE?
I THINK WE ARE GOING TO SEE DELAYING TACTICS AND THE HOPE WILL BE ON THE TRUMP SIDE THAT HE DOES NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT.
JENIFER: ALREADY HE HAS BEEN INDICTED TWICE IN TWO MONTHS IN STATE AND FEDERAL COURT AND WE HAVE SEVERAL COMING UP.
DOES THIS IN ANY WAY HELP HIS CASE?
MICHAEL: ULTIMATELY, I DO NOT THINK SO.
IF YOU READ THE POLLS, IT HAS NOT HAD THE IMPACT THIS RESULT WOULD HAVE.
IT GOES BACK TO MY POINT THAT AMERICANS ARE SO ANGRY THEY ARE NOT LOOKING AT THINGS WITH A CLEAR EYE.
THEY HAVE MADE UP THEIR MINDS, ARE ANGRY, NOT GOING TO CHANGE THEIR OPINION.
IT IS NOT HURTING HIM AT THE MOMENT AS MUCH.
IT IS A LONG, DRAWNOUT PROCESS.
A LOT OF THIS EVIDENCE LAID OUT IN THE INDICTMENT IS NOT PRETTY.
AT SOME POINT THERE WILL BE AN EROSION OF SUPPORT.
OTHER -- THE PARTY ESTABLISHMENT WILL WORRY ABOUT WINNING THE ELECTIONS NEXT YEAR.
THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT CAN HAPPEN.
HE IS NOT GOING TO GO AWAY OR CRUMBLE EASILY.
I THINK THERE IS POSSIBILITY HE COULD DRAG THIS TRIAL OUT THE FULL YEAR AND A HALF IT COULD TAKE TO GET HIS ONLY PATH THROUGH.
JENIFER: WHAT ARE THE MOST ALARMING PARTS OF THE INDICTMENT?
MICHAEL: IT IS HARD FOR ME TO RANK THEM.
I HAVE A STRONG VISCERAL REACTION.
HAVING WORKED AT THE WHITE HOUSE AND HANDLED A LOT OF SECURE DOCUMENTS -- I HANDLED MOST OF THE ONES IN THE IRAN-CONTRA, FOR INSTANCE.
THE NOTION YOU WOULD DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN GO TO THE SAFE, TAKE UP THE DOCUMENTS ONLY WHEN YOU NEEDED THEM TO DO WHAT YOU NEEDED TO DO, AND NOT PUT THEM BACK IN THE SAFE IS APPALLING TO ME.
I HAD A COLLEAGUE WHO WAS DISCIPLINED BECAUSE HE HAD TAKEN OUT SECURE DOCUMENTS FROM HIS SAFE, WORKED ON THEM, FORGOTTEN TO PUT THEM BACK IN THE SAFE, HIS OFFICE WAS LOCKED, THE OLD EXECUTIVE OFFICE BUILDING WAS SECURE, BUT THEY HAD GONE TO CHECK AND SAW THE NATIONAL SECURITY DOCUMENTS ON HIS DESK AND HE GOT AN OFFICIAL REPRIMAND FOR THAT.
THAT IS THE ENVIRONMENT I WORKED IN, WHERE THEY TOOK IT WITH THAT DEGREE OF SERIOUSNESS.
THERE WAS A WHOLE BUNCH OF, IT IS IN THE BATHROOM, SHOWED THIS PERSON, IN THE KITCHEN, FALLING OUT OF BOXES, MIXED IN WITH OTHER THINGS.
JENIFER: AND ALSO SAYING HE WANTED TO KEEP THAT INFORMATION FROM PROSECUTORS.
MICHAEL: I AM HORRIFIED BY A LOT OF THE ALLEGATIONS.
ASSUMING THEY ARE TRUE, THEY ARE HORRIBLE.
I DO NOT KNOW HOW TO RANK THEM.
JENIFER: WE ARE CLOSE TO DONE.
I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU WHAT YOUR LAST THOUGHTS ARE AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
MICHAEL: I THINK THIS WILL NOT BE A PRETTY SPECTACLE.
IT IS GOING TO BE UGLY.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP WILL HAVE TROUBLE RECRUITING AND HOLDING ONTO A TOP LEGAL TEAM.
HE WENT THROUGH ALL THE ELECTION CHALLENGES AND HAD A CLOWN SHOW FOR LAWYERS.
THE LAWYERS HE HAS HAD FOR THE CRIMINAL DEFENSE HAVE BEEN BETTER, BUT THEY ARE GONE.
THE FIRST THING TO LOOK FOR IS, IS HE GOING TO BE ABLE TO RECRUIT QUALITY LAWYERS?
IS HE GOING TO BE ABLE TO USE THE FACT HE HAS TO DO THAT FOR A DELAY?
THAT CAN BE A SIGN OF WHAT THEY ARE DOING TACTICALLY.
THEN YOU HAVE TO SETTLE IN.
EVEN THOUGH THIS HAS THE FEATURES OF AN OPEN AND SHUT CASE, THE WAY THE PROCESS WORKS, IT WILL NOT BE OPEN AND SHUT QUICKLY.
I THINK IT WILL BE LONG AND PAINFUL AND PEOPLE WILL BE GLAD WHEN IT IS OVER.
JENIFER: THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
GREAT TO HAVE YOU HERE.
NEXT UP, WE KNOW THERE ARE GLARING INEQUALITIES AND DISPARITIES IN BOSTON FROM HEALTH CARE AND LIFE EXPECTANCIES TO HOUSING AND NET WORTH, BUT WHAT ABOUT YOUR LOCAL GROCERY STORE?
A GROUP OF LOCAL TEENS HAD SUSPICIONS FOOD COST MORE IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD, SO THEY DECIDED TO INVESTIGATE.
THEY ARE PART OF THE HYDE SQUARE TASK FORCE, A COMMUNITY YOUTH ORGANIZATION IN JAMAICA PLAIN AND FOUND THE STOP & SHOP IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD CHARGED MORE THAN $30 FOR THE SAME GROCERIES AS THE SAME STORE IN DEDHAM, A WELL-OFF SUBURB.
A 15% DISPARITY.
TWO OF THOSE YOUNG SLEUTHS JOIN ME.
EUNISS YOYO AND DANNY VARGAS.
WE REACHED OUT TO STOP & SHOP FOR A COMMENT, BUT AT THE TIME OF THIS TAPING WE HAVE NOT HEARD BACK.
THANK YOU FOR JOINING ME.
I AM SO EXCITED TO BE HERE.
I AM AN INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST MYSELF AND WANT TO CONGRATULATE YOU AND TELL YOU THIS IS THE TYPE OF WORK WE ARE PROUD OF DOING.
CONGRATULATIONS.
I WOULD LIKE TO START WITH, CAN YOU EXPLAIN ABOUT WHAT YOUR TASK FORCE DOES?
EUNISS: HYDE SQUARE TASK FORCE IS LOCATED IN THE LATIN QUARTER OF JAMAICA PLAIN.
WE DO A LOT OF DIFFERENT WORK LIKE CIVIC ENGAGEMENT AND COMMUNITY ORGANIZING, WHICH IS WHAT WE ARE PART OF.
WE ALSO FOCUS ON AFRO LATIN MUSIC, DANCE AND THEATER.
WE ALLOW YOUTH TO EXPLORE THOSE AND POST HIGH SCHOOL CAREER EDUCATION, MAKING YOUTH MORE WELL-ROUNDED AND ALLOWING THEM TO HAVE A COMMUNITY OUTLET TO USE THEIR TALENTS AND CREATIVITY AT AN AFTERSCHOOL PROGRAM.
JENIFER: CAN YOU TELL ME YOUR AGE?
EUNISS: I AM 15.
DANNY: AND I AM A YOUNG 18.
JENIFER: WHERE DID YOU COME UP WITH THIS IDEA?
DANNY: A COUPLE OF YOUTH THAT HYDE SQUARE WANTED TO LOOK AT THE EFFECTS OF INFLATION ON THEIR COMMUNITY.
THERE WAS AN ARTICLE WHERE THEY HAD A FEW DETAILS.
INFLATION, IN LOW INCOME NEIGHBORHOODS IN HIGH INCOME NEIGHBORHOODS, THEY FOUND PEOPLE SPENT MORE MONEY IN LOW INCOME NEIGHBORHOODS, SO THEY WANTED TO TEST THAT.
THE YOUTH WENT INTO THE STOP & SHOP IN JP AND TOOK A COUPLE PICTURES OF CERTAIN FOOD ITEMS AND THEN COMPARED THOSE TO DEDHAM.
THEY TOOK THE SAME AMOUNT OF FOOD AND COMPARED THEM AND FOUND THE AVERAGE SPENDING WAS $35 DIFFERENT.
WE THEN CONVERSED AND WANTED TO DO SOMETHING.
JENIFER: THAT IS A SPECTACULAR FINDING.
SOMETHING YOU OFTEN SUSPECT WHEN YOU GO TO DIFFERENT STORES, BUT TO HAVE DECIDED TO DO THAT PRIMARY SOURCE DOCUMENTATION IS IMPRESSIVE.
HOW DID YOU FEEL WHEN YOU CONFIRMED THESE SUSPICIONS?
EUNISS: IT WAS FLABBERGASTED.
-- I WAS FLABBERGASTED.
YOU GO GROCERY SHOPPING, DID I PAY $2 FOR THIS AT THIS LOCATION?
MAYBE I AM REMEMBERING SOMETHING WRONG.
BUT WHEN YOU COMPARE RECEIPTS SIDE-BY-SIDE AND SEE YOU ARE 18% MORE IN YOUR OWN LOCAL NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU ARE ASTONISHED AND CONFUSED AS TO WHY.
THE SAME STORE THAT SELLS THE SAME BRANDS AND PRODUCTS.
JENIFER: WERE YOU ABLE TO FIND OUT WHY THERE IS SUCH A DISPARITY IN DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES?
DANNY: WE HAVE TRIED AGAIN AND AGAIN TO CONTACT STOP & SHOP, BUT IT HAS BEEN SEVERAL WEEKS AND THEY ARE A PROPRIETARY BUSINESS AND HAVE NOT GIVEN US A CLEAR ANSWER AS TO WHY THEY ARE MARKING UP THE WAY THEY DO AND WHY LOW INCOME NEIGHBORHOODS PAY MORE THAN THOSE IN HIGH INCOME NEIGHBORHOODS.
JENIFER: HOW DID IT MAKE YOU FEEL TO DISCOVER THAT?
DANNY: IT IS A TOUGH PILL TO SWALLOW.
AVERAGE ON WEEK I GO TO STOP & SHOP THREE OR FOUR TIMES A DAY.
SOMETIMES MY PARENTS GO FOR THE WEEK, GET THE GROCERIES.
WE USUALLY HAVE FOOD STAMPS TO KEEP US SUPPLIED.
MY FATHER WORKS AND USUALLY BRINGS THE MONEY WE NEED.
UNFORTUNATELY, IT IS NOT ALWAYS THE CASE.
SOMETIMES MONEY IS LOW AND WE USED THE FOOD STAMPS ALREADY IN THE FIRST COUPLE OF WEEKS SO THEN WE HAVE TO DEPEND ON MY DAD TO HAVE THE REST OF THE GROCERIES COME IN, SUCH AS RICE OR EGGS, MILK.
TO SEE IT ALL GONE IS PARTIALLY DUE TO STOP & SHOP.
IT IS THE GROCERY STORE THAT IS ACROSS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I HAVE BEEN LIVING THERE 15 YEARS.
IT FEELS LIKE I HAVE BEEN ROBBED FOR 15 YEARS.
JENIFER: THAT IS SO COMPELLING.
THANK YOU FOR SHARING THAT.
YOU TRIED TO REACH OUT TO STOP & SHOP AND THEY GAVE YOU NO ANSWERS.
WHAT ELSE HAVE YOU DONE TO AMPLIFY YOUR FINDINGS, WHICH ARE OUTRAGEOUS AND EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID, IMPORTANT FOR PEOPLE TO KNOW?
EUNISS: JUST LIKE WE ARE DOING NOW, WE HAVE GONE TO THE MEDIA TO TRY TO ADVOCATE AND LET THE WORLD KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON AND WHAT WE ARE FINDING IN OUR COMMUNITY.
WE HAVE RECEIVED A LOT OF FEEDBACK AND COMMENTS FROM SUPPORTERS SAYING THEY HAVE EXPERIENCED THE SAME THINGS AT DIFFERENT STOP & SHOP LOCATIONS IN THEIR OWN COMMUNITIES.
RIGHT NOW WE ARE TRYING TO GO TO DIFFERENT COMMUNITY LEADERS AND ORGANIZATIONS AND PRESENT OUR FINDINGS AND RESEARCH AND GAIN MORE FEEDBACK AND INSIGHT AS TO WHAT WE CAN DO TO TAKE ACTION ON THIS ISSUE BEFORE DOING ANYTHING.
JENIFER: HAVE YOU TALKED TO ANY LAWMAKERS OR BROUGHT IT TO THE STATEHOUSE?
EUNISS: WE ARE ON THE WAY TO A MEETING WITH SOME BOSTON CITY COUNSELORS ABOUT THIS ISSUE.
TOMORROW WE HAVE A MEETING WITH THE MASSACHUSETTS ATTORNEY GENERAL, OR THE CABINET OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, ABOUT THIS RESEARCH AND THIS ISSUE.
JENIFER: THAT IS INCREDIBLE.
I AM CURIOUS, YOU MENTIONED YOU HAVE ASPIRATIONS TO BE A JOURNALIST.
I FEEL YOU ARE GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU LOVE TO DO, TO HAVE AMAZING FINDINGS AND BRING THEM TO PEOPLE THAT CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
WHAT IS NEXT ON YOUR AGENDA?
DO YOU HAVE OTHER PLANS AFTER THIS?
DANNY: AFTER WE HAVE DISCUSSED WITH THE ATTORNEY GENERAL WE PLAN ON MEETING WITH MORE PEOPLE, THOSE WITH POWER TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
ONE OF OUR GOALS IS TO HAVE FOOD EQUITY ACROSS BOSTON.
THE ENGLISH CHANNEL, THE EAST COAST OF NEW ENGLAND, FOOD EQUITY IS A MAJOR ISSUE.
SOME PEOPLE DO NOT HAVE THE NECESSARY FUNDS TO PROVIDE THEMSELVES WITH NUTRITIONAL FOOD AND MAY END UP BUYING JUNK FOOD OR STUFF THAT IS VERY LOW IN COST WHICH LEADS TO THEM BEING MALNOURISHED OR SOMETIMES OBESE.
JENIFER: HAVE YOU CONSIDERED EXPANDING THESE FINDINGS?
WHEN I DO INVESTIGATIVE WORK GENERALLY YOU FIND GREAT ANECDOTAL THINGS AND BUILD ON IT.
HAVE YOU THOUGHT OF EXPANDING YOUR FINDINGS?
EUNISS: YES.
AFTER WE HAVE DISCUSSED WITH THE LOCAL COMMUNITY LEADERS AND BOSTON CITY COUNSELORS AND RECEIVED FEEDBACK, WE WANT TO TAKE ACTION.
NOT ONLY IS THIS AN ISSUE HAPPENING IN JAMAICA PLAIN AND DEDHAM, IT HAS ALSO SPREAD THROUGHOUT ALL STOP & SHOP LOCATIONS IN THE NORTHEAST REGIONS.
WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF STOP & SHOP CAN MAKE THEIR PRICING MORE EQUITABLE ACROSS LOCATIONS.
WE WOULD LIKE IF IT IS POSSIBLE TO EXPAND THIS PROJECT AND MAKE PRICES MORE EQUITABLE FOR ALL COMMUNITIES.
JENIFER: HAVE YOU SEEN OTHER RESEARCH THAT HAS LOOKED INTO THIS, THAT THIS IS A WIDESPREAD PROBLEM?
EUNISS: WE HAVE NOT SEEN IT FIRSTHAND, BUT HAVE A LOT OF FIRST-HAND ACCOUNTS FROM DIFFERENT PEOPLE WHO HAVE CONTACTED US ABOUT THEIR LOCAL STOP & SHOPS AND HOW THEY WENT TO DIFFERENT LOCATIONS NEAR THEM AND EXPERIENCED THE SAME ISSUE AS WE FOUND IN OUR RESEARCH.
JENIFER: IT IS IMPRESSIVE WORK.
LAST THOUGHTS, WHAT DO YOU WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW?
DANNY: WE WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW, ALTHOUGH STOP & SHOP IS A BIG CORPORATION, WITH 400 ACROSS THE U.S., SOMETIMES CORPORATIONS SHOULD BE CONSISTENT.
FOOD PRICES SHOULD BE THE SAME IN GENERAL LOCATIONS.
TO HAVE SOME PLACES HIGHER AND SOME LOWER, WHERE PEOPLE WITH LESS MONEY OR PAYING HIGHER PRICES FOR THE SAME FOOD, IT IS OUTRAGEOUS.
JENIFER: THANK YOU BOTH.
GREAT TO MEET YOU AND HOPE TO SEE YOU IN THE NEWSROOM SOME OTHER TIME.
THAT IS IT FOR NIGHT RAID COME BACK TOMORROW FOR A REUNION BETWEEN PATIENTS WHO NEEDED A MED FLIGHT TO GET THEM TO URGENT CRITICAL CARE AND ONE OF THE PILOTS WHO SAVED THEIR LIVES.
THAT AND MORE TOMORROW AT 7:00.
THANK YOU FOR WATCHING.
I AM JENIFER MCKIM.
GOOD NIGHT.
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