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7/4/2024 | 56m 45sVideo has Closed Captions
July 4, 2024 - PBS News Hour full episode
Thursday on the News Hour, President Biden acknowledges mistakes in last week's debate but insists he will stay in the race. Exit polls in the United Kingdom show voters likely elected a center-left Labour government after 14 years of center-right Conservative rule. Plus, a look back at a Supreme Court term full of consequential and controversial decisions.
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July 4, 2024 - PBS News Hour full episode
7/4/2024 | 56m 45sVideo has Closed Captions
Thursday on the News Hour, President Biden acknowledges mistakes in last week's debate but insists he will stay in the race. Exit polls in the United Kingdom show voters likely elected a center-left Labour government after 14 years of center-right Conservative rule. Plus, a look back at a Supreme Court term full of consequential and controversial decisions.
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Learn Moreabout PBS online sponsorshipAMNA NAWAZ: Good evening.
I'm# Amna Nawaz.
Geoff Bennett is away.
On the "News Hour" tonight: President Biden# acknowledges mistakes in last week's debate,## but insists he will stay in# the race for the White House.
We report live from London, as exit polls# in the United Kingdom show voters likely## elected a center-left Labor government after# 14 years of center-right Conservative rule.
And a look back at a Supreme Court term full# of consequential and controversial decisions.
STEPHEN VLADECK, Georgetown University# Law Center: This court seemed to be very## comfortable with the president himself# exercising an awful lot of power,## perhaps not being as accountable as the# founders would have wanted him to be.
(BREAK) AMNA NAWAZ: Welcome to the "News# Hour," and happy Independence Day.
Well, it's been one week since President# Joe Biden's poor performance in the first## debate of the 2024 campaign caused a political# shockwave.
The president insists he is staying## in the race.
But even on this Fourth of July# holiday, concerns continue to grow inside the## Democratic Party about whether Mr. Biden is the# best person to sit atop the ticket in November.
"News Hour" political correspondent# Lisa Desjardins has been talking to## lawmakers and to voters.
She# joins me now with the latest.
Good to see you, Lisa.
LISA DESJARDINS: Hi.
AMNA NAWAZ: So you have be.. we have seen two Democratic lawmakers come# out publicly, only two so far, to publicly## call for Mr. Biden to step aside.
Your reporting# shows that many more could be considering that.
Who are we talking about here?
LISA DESJARDINS: Amna, the texts and phone calls## from Democratic lawmakers concerned# have not waned in the last week.
And talking to about a dozen or so House# members in particular and top staffers in## Congress who are Democrats in the last# couple of days, I can report that there## are two movements to write letters asking# the president to step aside as the nominee.
These are from two groups that are# trying to form, one, veteran lawmakers## generally who are in safe seats, like Lloyd# Doggett, who you interviewed here on this## program.
The other is from front-line# members who are much more vulnerable,## who believe they have much more# to risk if Biden is on the ballot.
So, these two groups right now are trying# to get text together, trying to move these## letters ahead.
Now, would they actually# publicly call for the president to do## this?
Unclear.
They're talking about it.
How big# are these groups?
Also unclear.
It's very fluid.
But I can report from having these conversations# that we are talking about scores of House## Democrats, not a handful, scores who want the# president, privately, they say, to step aside.
AMNA NAWAZ: So those who think# they may step forward to say that,## why are they waiting in this moment to do so?
LISA DESJARDINS: Exactly my question.
There are a few reasons.
One, wording of# the letter is .. front-liners.
Some of those front-liners,# I'm told, would like letter that says, this## is -- he has been a good president.
They would# like praise for the president in this letter.
Other front-liners are nervous# about signing that kind of letter,## because President Biden may not have won in# their district before, may not win again.
So,## wording is one issue.
Another,# of course, is the politics here.
There is a lot of calculation about, how do# you influence this president.
Some believe## that publicly coming out, asking him to step# aside, is exactly the kind of thing that would## have this president feel more embattled, more# likely to dig in.
There's a discussion about that.
Then there's also the politics for members.
Some# are worried that, if they come out publicly,## there will be retribution later, should# he win.
Some are worried that, if they## don't come out publicly now, if he loses, there# could be retribution for missing this moment.
AMNA NAWAZ: How does all of# this compare to what you're## hearing from voters who are watching all# this unfold?
What are they tell.. LISA DESJARDINS: There is a# complete disconnect here, Amna.
Talking to dozens of voters through# our project to reach out to voters,## as well as voters in Maine, where I just came# back from vacation, family members, and voters## here in Virginia this morning at a Fourth of July# parade, Democratic voters are not just concerned.
It's beyond that.
Let's take a listen.
ELLIS JOHNSTON, Minnesota Democratic# Voter: I am feeling panicked.
Certainly,## like, laying in my bed at night, like, overcome# with fear.
I do not think that Joe Biden is the## best person to be running in this election.# I don't know who that person is, but I don't## feel confident in Joe Biden's ability to win# this election.
And that makes me very afraid.
LISA DESJARDINS: Now, are there Democrats# that still support him, still want him there?
Of course there are.
But this is the vast# majority of the response I'm getting,## including a text just in the last hour or so# from Darren, an undecided voter in Milwaukee,## who voted for Biden in 2020.
He says he# has lost whatever desperate hope he had,## and it's well past time for Democrats# to face reality about Biden.
AMNA NAWAZ: Lisa, as you well know, there's been# a sense of the White House and the campaign have## kind of circled the wagons around the president# since the debate.
He won't sit for his first## major interview until tomorrow, more than a# week after the debate.
How is that playing?
LISA DESJARDINS: This has been a difficult week# for the White House, but they have again and## again, said, no, he's not stepping aside, and# they have been getting their supporters out,## as we saw last night, when governors from# across the country came to the White House.
Three of them came up to the microphone to# say that they still support the president## and that their meeting reinforced that# view.
And then we had another today,## this from a very popular Democratic governor# among progressives, Gavin Newsom of California.
GOV.
GAVIN NEWSOM (D-CA): There was no# one that walked out of that and said,## we have got you back, Mr. President.
No one.
Not# one.
And so,again, for all the hand-wringing,## all the navel-gazing, time to step up and step in.
LISA DESJARDINS: That is again a disconnect# from what I'm hearing from Democrats here## in Washington, who actually are angry,# especially House Democrats, for two reasons.
One, the campaign came# after them in the last week,## calling them bed-wetters.
They say that# ignores the reality.
They think there is## a real political problem here for Biden# that they're ignoring and potentially a## governing one.
They are concerned about# what he will be like in three years.
So where does this leave all of this?
A lot# of those House Democrats who are figuring## out how they express concern and do they# are waiting for a big interview tomorrow,## President Biden speaking to# ABC.
Time is of the essence,## and this may be the most important# interview of his political career.
AMNA NAWAZ: All right, Lisa Desjardins# with the latest on this ongoing story.
Lisa, thank you.
LISA DESJARDINS: You're welcome.
AMNA NAWAZ: In the day's other headlines:# Hurricane Beryl is now a Category 2 storm,## down from a Category 5, but it# remains powerful as it churns## towards Mexico.
At least nine people# have been killed across the region.
In Jamaica, Beryl knocked down trees and# power lines as it brushed the island's## southern coast.
And in the Eastern Caribbean,# 95 percent of homes on a pair of islands in## Saint Vincent and the Grenadines have been# damaged or destroyed, while, in Barbados,## boats were tossed like toys.
Sailors say there's# likely even more destruction beneath the surf.
EVERTON BRATHWAITE, Fisherman: All the# vessels in here have damage.
All have damage,## structural damage.
But we have got a good few# vessels that is underwater.
We don't know how## much the toll is right now, but we estimate# about 30 or maybe 40 vessels is under the water.
AMNA NAWAZ: The National Hurricane# Center expects Beryl to weaken further,## but to remain a dangerous hurricane# until it reaches Mexico's shores## tomorrow.
Southern Texas is forecast to# see impacts from Beryl early next week.
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu# told President Biden today that he's sending## a delegation to renew cease-fire talks# with Hamas.
The two spoke by phone after## Hamas sent a response to a three-phase proposal# pushed by the U.S., Israel and other nations.
In the meantime, Northern Israeli# hillsides are ablaze amid heavy## rocket fire from Hezbollah in Lebanon.# The group says it's launched hundreds## of projectiles in response to Israel's# killing of one of its top commanders.
At the funeral FOR Mohammed# Naame Nasser today in Beirut,## a Hezbollah leader, vowed that# the retaliation will continue.
HASHEM SAFIEDDINE, Hezbollah Executive# Council (through translator): The response## to the assassination of ..
The series of responses is targeting new# sites the enemy never imagined would be hit.
AMNA NAWAZ: Israel has not reported any# casualties.
The Israeli Defense Forces say## it struck back today, hitting Hezbollah# military structures in Southern Lebanon.
Russian President Vladimir Putin ruled out# a cease-fire in Ukraine until Kyiv takes## steps that are -- quote -- "irreversible and# acceptable" to the Russian Federation.
Putin## made the comment in Kazakstan on the final# day of a regional security conference.
He## also weighed in on the U.S. election,# particularly former President Trump's## repeated claims that, if reelected, he could# end the fighting in Ukraine in a single day.
VLADIMIR PUTIN, Russian President (through# translator): The fact that Mr. Trump declares## that he is ready and wants to stop the war# in Ukraine, we take this quite se..
I am not, of course, familiar with his possible# proposals regarding how he is going to do this,## but I have no doubt that he means it# sincerely, and we will support it.
AMNA NAWAZ: In the meantime, Ukraine's# military said its troops retreated from## the outskirts of Chasiv Yar.
That's a town# in the eastern Donetsk region.
Commanders## say Russia has deployed scorched-earth# tactics there for months.
Its fall## would put nearby cities in jeopardy and# threaten critical Ukrainian supply routes.
A court in Moscow convicted U.S. citizen# Robert Woodland of drug-related charges## today.
He was sentenced to 12.5 in# prison.
Woodland, who was born in Russia,## was in court today to hear his sentence.# He's one of a growing number of Americans## arrested in Russia as relations between# the two nations sink to Cold War lows.
His lawyers say Woodland has been# suffering from unspecified mental## health issues.
They plan to appeal the verdict.
The International Swimming Federation says# its executive director has been ordered to## testify in a U.S. criminal probe into alleged# doping by Chinese Olympic swimmers.
American## officials want to know how 23 Chinese# swimmers were allowed to compete in## the 2021 Tokyo Olympics, despite testing# positive for a banned heart medication.
It comes just three weeks ahead# of the Olympic Games in Paris,## where 11 of those same# athletes are set to compete.
Millions across America have been celebrating# the July 4 holiday, and it's been a hot one;## 134 million people in the South and in# the West have been under heat alerts.## That didn't stop the celebrations, of course,# with parades and cookouts across the nation.
On New York's Coney Island, the Nathan's Hot Dog# Eating Contest gobbled on today without 16-time## champion Joey Chestnut, who couldn't compete# because of a sponsorship conflict.
Instead,## Patrick Bertoletti of Chicago took the men's# title, downing 58 dogs in 10 minutes.
And## defending women's champion Miki Sudo retained# her crown, eating a women's record of 51 franks.
And for all of you salad eaters out there,# here's a fun fact.
This July 4 also happens to## be the 100th birthday of the Caesar salad.
The# culinary staple has its roots not in America,## but in Tijuana, Mexico.
That is where, in 1924, an# Italian immigrant named Caesar Cardini is said to## have thrown together some leftover ingredients# after his hungry patrons emptied the shelves.
The result was the dish that we know and love# today.
So, something for everyone this July 4.
Still to come on the "News Hour": billions of# dollars in federal pandemic aid for schools## help students catch up academically, but# gaps remain; a look at an effort under way## in Missouri to enshrine abortion access in# the state's constitution; and the climate## cost of artificial intelligence and# the energy required to power it.
Exit polls in the United Kingdom show# a Labor landslide in today's election,## with the center-left party winning# a massive majority in Parliament in## the first general election in nearly five years.
This video from Sky TV shows the results# of those exit polls.
The Conservatives'## loss marks the end of 14 years in power# and Rishi Sunak's prime ministership.## Labor leader sir Keir Starmer will# be Britain's next prime minister.
"News Hour" special correspondent Malcolm Brabant## is in London covering the# election and joins us now.
So, Malcolm, what more can you tell us about these# results.
Were they a surprise or to be expected?
MALCOLM BRABANT: No, people were saying right# at the start that the election was called## that it was over virtually then, that people# were expecting a substantial Labor majority,## because the nation really has declared that# it's sick and tired of the Conservatives.
And this has been borne out tonight.
These# early sort of exit polls are usually extremely## accurate.
And what they're saying is that Labor# will have 410 seats in the 365-seat Parliament,## giving them a majority of 170 seats, and the# Conservatives have lost 241 seats, which is one## of the worst performances by a Conservative# government in recent political history.
AMNA NAWAZ: So, a landslide# victory, it seems like,## there.
What does that margin of victory# mean, both for the Labor Party and how## Sir Keir Starmer's priorities# can actually be put into place?
MALCOLM BRABANT: Well, this is exactly# what he wanted to be able to do,## to be able to carry out all# of his legislative programs.
And he's been rather vague about some# of the things that he's going to do,## but he now has absolutely really no opposition to# worry about when it comes to putting through the## things that he wants to do.
That is basically# trying to get growth, stabilizing the economy.
He wants to improve the National Health# Service.
He also wants to set up border## controls to stop all of the -- a new sort# of border force to stop all the boat people## coming across from France.
And he also wants# to bring in new teachers and things like that.
And the Conservatives have concerns that what# he might even do with this supermajority is to## introduce voting for 16-year-olds, so that Labor# can stay in power for generations.
We will have## to wait and see if that one comes true.
But,# certainly, there's been a lot of scaremongering## by the Conservatives about what this is going to# do with such a powerful majority for Sir Keir.
AMNA NAWAZ: Malcolm, what about those# Conservatives?
After 14 years in power,## where does this leave the# Conservative Party and Rishi Sunak?
MALCOLM BRABANT: Well, they're in total disarray.
This is a dreadful performance on their part.
And# they have been -- they have suffered a.. of there being COVID and also there being a war# in Ukraine.
But, also, their own irresponsibility## in government and incompetence has been one of the# things that's actually brought about their demise.
Rishi Sunak is thought to be a sort of very nice# guy, a technocrat, pretty -- and pretty competent,## but he's just not been able to get over the# kind of history that the people of this country## have with the Conservatives.
And after 14# years of it, people have just had enough.
Even though they don't particularly sort# of trust everything Keir Starmer says,## they just want change.
They are fed up with# the cost of living being absolutely abominable.## And one of the things, for example, that Keir# Starmer is going to do which the Conservatives## would never do, is to hit the labor --# is to hit the oil companies with extra## revenue with all the profits they have been# making and to pour that into green energy.
And that's -- people are fed up with their## bills for gas and their electricity# going up, and they just want change.
AMNA NAWAZ: Malcolm, there's another# political force at play here.
That## is a man named Nigel Farage many people may know,## the leader of the right-wing populist party# Reform U.K. Where did he come out in this race?
MALCOLM BRABANT: Well, he's done pretty well.
I mean, we don't know just how many votes# he's managed to get.
And he's only going## to get 13 seats, by the looks of things,# in Parliament.
But he's basically setting## himself up in -- for five years' time.
I# mean, he's going to be a rabble-rouser in## Parliament.
He's going to be the loudest# voice possibly against Keir Starmer.
And what he's going to be trying to do is# to unite the right wing behind him so that,## in five years' time, he will be# in a position to challenge Keir## Starmer perhaps as prime minister.# But that's going to be his main role.
And he's going to -- I think he will be quite# content with what he's got, because if he wins his## seat in Eastern England, he will be in Parliament,# and he will be a thorn in Keir Starmer's side.
AMNA NAWAZ: All right, that is "News# Hour" special correspondent Malcolm## Brabant reporting live for us from London tonight.
Malcolm, thank you.
Good to see you.
The nine justices of the Supreme Court# considered more than 60 cases this term,## before rendering their final# decisions earlier this week.
Their rulings on abortion access, presidential# immunity and the limits of federal agencies## could have long-lasting impacts.
They also# showcased sharp divides among the justices.
I sat down with two Supreme Court# watchers to reflect on this historic term.
Steve Vladeck is a professor at# Georgetown University's Law Center,## and Joan Biskupic is CNN's senior Supreme Court# analyst and author of the book "Nine Black Robes."
Welcome to you both.
Thanks for being here.
JOAN BISKUPIC, Author, "Nine# Black Robes": Thank you.
AMNA NAWAZ: Joan.. the court's most anticipated decision# on Monday, deciding that presidents## are entitled to some immunity from prosecution.
How consequential is that decision, given# how it could reshape the presidency?
JOAN BISKUPIC: Consequential for this year,# but consequential for many, many years.
This was such a robust reading of executive power.# It was a very bold statement by this court, the## 6-3 supermajority conservative court.
So I think# it gave us a new insight into the court under## John Roberts.
And in terms of going forward, it's# certainly already affecting prosecutions against## former President Donald Trump and will affect# presidential powers and authority down the road.
AMNA NAWAZ: Steve, this undeniably leaves# us with a more powerful executive after## that decision.
How does that decision square# with the trend you saw from the justices and## how they viewed the power of executive# branch agencies and other decisions?
STEPHEN VLADECK, Georgetown University# Law Center: Yes, I mean, I think, Amna,## it makes sense if you distinguish between the## power of the presidency as an institution# versus the power of executive branch agencies.
This court seems to be very comfortable with# the president himself exercising an awful lot## of power, perhaps not being as accountable# as the founders would have wanted him to be,## while still reining in the power# of lower-level agencies and reining## in the power of Congress to even# give authority to those agencies.
That might seem like a tension at first.
I# actually think it has the same core goal,## which is enhancing the power of the presidency,# enhancing the role of the courts, and actually## weakening as much as any other institution# in American government the legislature.
AMNA NAWAZ: And, Joan, as we know, the issue of# abortion loomed large over this term as well,## two years after the Dobbs decision overturned# that constitutional right to abortions.
But this court basically punted on two# related cases that came before them,## one related to abortion medication, the other on## access to emergency abortions.
How# did you look at those decisions?
JOAN BISKUPIC: Well, the first one, the one that## ensured that women would still have access# to mifepristone, the abortion medication,## that was a logical outcome when they said# the challengers there, the anti-abortion## physicians who didn't even engage in any kind# of abortion or prescription of this drug,## that they didn't have what's known as legal# standing, that they couldn't bring that case.
The other case from Idaho involving the# ability to get emergency abortions for## women who had complications in pregnancies,# that one was a surprise.
First of all,## it was a surprise even the way the# justices took it.
They reached out to## take that case.
They allowed this Idaho# law, a complete ban, to take effect.
They sidestepped that with an unusual compromise# in the end, but I think that compromise that they## had, saying that they were going to put it off# for a while, that they should not have granted## it in the first place, that they shouldn't have# reached out, I think it just showed, though,## that they're kind of champing at the bit to have# another bite and a case that could really diminish## access to abortion, what's left of it after they# have rolled back constitutional abortion rights.
AMNA NAWAZ: And, Steve, you have# noted in your analysis before that,## when the justices weren't# unanimous in their decisions,## we often saw this 6-3 split, which# is clearly along ideological lines.
What does that say to you about the# evolution of this Roberts court?
STEVE VLADECK: Well, I think what's# striking, Amna, is, remember that the## justices are choosing virtually all of their# cases.
And so it's not like this is a random## cross-section of cases from lower courts that# are just happening to split them ideologically.
What it shows, and I think what# the Idaho abortion case shows,## is that the six conservative justices# know what they want to do and are taking## the cases where they are going to be able# to stake out what really are in the main## ideological positions that are going to provoke# the dissents of the three Democratic appointees.
We shouldn't be surprised by that,# but I think it's striking that there## were twice as many of those 6-3 ideological# splits this year as last term.
It suggests,## as in the Idaho case, the court is just taking# whatever the conservatives want to take,## even if in some of these cases it is# coming to regret that down the road.
AMNA NAWAZ: I also wanted to ask# what you make of some of the tone## we have seen in the dissents in# these cases from those liberal## justices.
What do you make of that?# We have seen stronger language there.
JOAN BISKUPIC: Certainly stronger# language, and it was escalating.
It had been building on the part# of Justices Sotomayor, Elena Kagan,## and Ketanji Brown Jackson, our newest# justice.
The anger, the passion,## and I felt like when I was hearing some of those# earlier dissents, it revealed what was to come.
They just are not able to make any kind of# inroads.
The six-justice conservative majority is## really flexing its muscle.
And I think Steve and# I have observed that there is such a difference## between a five-justice conservative majority and# six, because they have got wiggle room.
Somebody## can drop off, and they can still be pretty# bold in where they're going toward the right.
AMNA NAWAZ: Steve, we should also note this is# a court that's faced the same decline in public## trust that all other American institutions have# seen.
Pew Research tracked a more than 30-point## drop in Supreme Court's favorable ratings# since 1987.
That was as of summer of 2023.
And then we saw this slew of# reports, many from ProPublica,## raising questions about ethics concerns.
The# court adopted an ethics code late last year,## but how do you look at that?
Can# they win back the public's trust?
STEVE VLADECK: I mean, Amna, yes, they can.# I don't know that anything the court has done## in the last couple of weeks has been in# any way taking steps in that direction.
And it's really striking.
Joan mentioned the# voices of the three liberal dissenters.
I## think we have also heard the emerging voice# of Justice Amy Coney Barrett.
She is marking## out position in between herself and the other# conservative justices, Amna, where I think she## actually is perhaps the most cognizant of the# need to not look like they're jumping the gun.
In the Colorado ballot disqualification case,## she wrote specifically about what message# the court was sending to the American people.## She seems worried about that.
The problem, as Joan# points out, is, there are now six.
And so one's## not enough.
The fact that Chief John Roberts has# really gone more over to the Thomas/Alito/Gorsuch## win is part of why I think we're going to# see this credibility gap continue to grow.
AMNA NAWAZ: We have described this# term as historic so many times,## I have lost count.
But, Joan, how would# you briefly sort of describe the impact## of some of their decisions and how# you look ahead to the next term?
JOAN BISKUPIC: Where it was a turning# point, I think, is in the immunity decision,## the justices' regard for the presidency# and the justices regard for themselves.
Even though they certainly protected the# executive branch much more than any court## has ever in American history, it also leaves# to the court itself what are official acts,## what are not official acts, which is the crucial# question coming out of the immunity thing.
We talk about the imperial presidency.# There was a certain imperial kind of## oomph to what the justices did for# the judiciary.
And, also, I think,## for John Roberts -- Steve mentioned# that Amy Coney Barrett is a little bit## more in the center than how we would have# regarded John Roberts once upon a time.
John Roberts, in this immunity case, in the# regulatory movement of the justices against## protections for environment, for labor, for# public health, he has really shown himself to## be much more vigorous in moving to the right and# enforcing a certain kind of conservative agenda## that he started his career with in Washington# when he first worked in the Reagan administration.
AMNA NAWAZ: Steve, what about you?
How do you## reflect back on this term and what# are you looking fo.. STEVE VLADECK: Yes, I mean, I think there's no# question that this term saw the most aggressive## restructuring of the federal government since the# New Deal, since 1937, we had a slew of Supreme## Court decisions that really had helped to set# the stage for the modern administrative state.
Whether that restructuring is going to be a good# thing in the long term, Amna, very much remains to## be seen.
The early returns are not especially# inspiring.
And looking ahead to next term,## they know as much as anyone that# there's an election coming in November.
And how we are talking and looking at the Supreme# Court next year is going to depend a heck of a## lot, I think, on who wins in November and on# whether we have a second Trump administration,## where the question is, how much will# that court stand up to a President Trump?
Or Joe Biden or another Democrat wins in# November and we have more of the same.
I## think that's really very much all the play# for.
The problem is that the real watchword,## the real takeaway is, all of these decisions# in the cumulative are going to destabilize## settled understandings of law, are going to# destabilize the power of the federal government.
And in the long term, Joan is right,# it's about the imperial judiciary## and how much more judges are going to be# deciding features of our everyday lives.
AMNA NAWAZ: All right, that is# Steve Vladeck and Joan Biskupic.
Thank you so much for your time and# for your insights.
We appreciate it.
JOAN BISKUPIC: Thank you.
STEVE VLADECK: Thank you.
AMNA NAWAZ:## It's well-known that there were some# big gaps in student learning tied to## school shutdowns during the pandemic and# difficult transitions with hybrid classes.
But a big question remains, how much# did federal aid help students recover## from those academic losses?
We now# have some answers from new research.
And Jeffrey Brown dives into the latest.
JEFFREY BROWN: A pair of new studies show that# the $190 billion the federal government gave## in pandemic aid for schools helped students# catch up academically.
But big gaps remain.
Here to tell us about them is Laura Meckler,# national education writer for The Washington Post.
Thanks for joining us, Laura.
So, in general terms, first, we did see some# gains, even if m.. LAURA MECKLER, The Washington Post:# Yes, some -- we did see some gains.## There were deep losses from the# pandemic between 2019 and 2022.
And we just saw those were across the board, rich# districts, poor districts, but especially poor## districts saw big, steep losses.
But we did start# to see some improvement between 2022 and spring of## 2023.
We don't have the results from this last# testing in spring 2024.
So we don't know.
But,## obviously, people are hoping that they# will see continued improvement then.
But, as of what we know right# now, kids are still behind.
JEFFREY BROWN: So, that's a lot of money to spend.## What kind of specific steps made# the most difference?
Do we know?
LAURA MECKLER: Well, unfortunately,# we don't really know, because they## wanted that money out the door, and# there were very few strings attached.
Districts were not required to say how# they were spending the money, and districts## used it for a wide range of purposes.
Now,# let's remember that, in the spring of 2021,## when this money was first allocated, people# were talking about reopening schools, and## there was money spent on nurses.
There was money# spent on COVID testing, on ventilation systems.
Some school districts used money for# facilities improvements.
But then it## became clear over -- pretty quickly, it became# clear that really the biggest problems American## schools were facing was this loss of# learning, this academic regression.
So there were -- definitely money spent# on that, on tutoring, on summer programs,## on additional staff to help maybe# put another teacher in the room## to go around and help kids who# are struggling with a problem.
JEFFREY BROWN: Now, my understanding is# that poorer districts got more of the## aid.
Did differences show up between# poorer and better-off school systems?
LAURA MECKLER: Yes, they did.
And, even more interestingly enough, with# .. got more money than others due to a quirk in the# formula that they used in distributing this aid.
So researchers were able to really look# and see, what impact did the aid have?
Now,## everybody improved, but was it that# they were going to improve anyway,## or do we credit this federal money?
And# what they were able to determine was that,## for every $1,000 that was spent per people,# they saw about 3 percent of a grade improvement.
So is that a lot or a little?
I guess it# depends on whether you're feeling like this## glass is 3 percent full or maybe 50 percent# empty.
But they did, in fact, have an impact.
JEFFREY BROWN: And, to be clear, when# you talk about grade improvement,## we were talking about math or# reading scores, that kind of thing?
LAURA MECKLER: Yes, so that's in math scores.
If we're looking at math in particular,# what we found was that there was a drop## in student test scores between 2019 and# 2022 of about half-a-grade in math.
So## students lost about half-a-grade's worth# of learning in math.
And so they needed to,## like, catch up by quite a bit, and because# you need to learn the new material for the## next year that you're in school, plus# what you lost from the previous year.
So that was a huge challenge.
And so, again,# this -- if you're thinking about, say, a## 50 percent loss, a half-a-grade, for every $1,000# spent, 3 percent improvement.
So if you spent,## say, $8,000 per student in this pandemic aid, you# would get maybe a quarter-of-a-grade improvement.
JEFFREY BROWN: Now, this federal# funding is coming to an end soon,## right?
What happens then?
What are# you hearing from schools themselves?
LAURA MECKLER: Districts do have to# spend the money by this fall.
And## there are a lot of concerns about# cutbacks that will come with that.
Some districts are intent on# trying to maintain as much of## the new interventions that they put in# place as possible.
But, in other places,## they are definitely facing cuts.
For instance,# in the city of Cleveland, they developed a## robust summer program that served more than# 5,000 kids a year for the last few years.
But, this summer, they only have# about half that many enrolled,## because they just don't have# funding for the full program.
JEFFREY BROWN: So, just summing up as# we end here, with all the talk about## these gaps and the losses and studies like# this, how much do we know at this point?
LAURA MECKLER: Well, you know, we know a good bit.
We know that the losses were steep.
We know# that the comeback is under way.
But we just## don't know how far we have gotten yet.
And# it'll be -- one thing I will be looking for## and a lot of people will be looking for is,# what were those test scores this last spring,## just a couple months ago?
How# much of an improvement did we see?
Did we see another big jump like we did from# '22 to 2023?
Or did the pace of improvement## lag?
So I think that there's still a bit that# we don't know.
But we certainly know that the## American education system has been trying,# trying to make up for these deep losses.
And now that the money is gone, we will just# have to see, will there be further sliding## or will they find a way to continue helping# kids catch up to where they're supposed to be?
JEFFREY BROWN: All right, Laura Meckler of# The Washington Post, thank you very much.
LAURA MECKLER: Thanks so much for having me.
AMNA NAWAZ: In Missouri, abortion# was banned almost immediately## after Roe v. Wade was overturned.
Now, two# years later, there's an effort to enshrine## abortion access in the state's constitution by# putting it on the ballot this election cycle.
I recently spoke to our communities# correspondent, Gabrielle Hays, in St. Louis.
Gabby, great to see you.
Help us understand here now.
In the# two years .. what has that meant for people in Missouri# and providers in the surrounding areas?
GABRIELLE HAYS: You know, Amna, a lot of what we# know about how this has impacted Missouri and what## this looks like for Missourians comes from the# data and the information that we're able to gather## from other states who are monitoring how# many people are coming from states with## more extreme bans, such as Missouri,# how those folks are being impacted.
We got some data from Hope Clinic this week.# That clinic is located in Illinois right across## the river from St. Louis.
And providers there# tell us that 80 percent of the patients that## they are seeing are coming from states with# more extreme bans.
They say they are seeing## patients coming from 28 different states across# the country, five countries from around the world.
We were able to speak to Julie Burkhart over# at Hope Clinic, who was able to kind of paint## the picture for what this impact looks like# for patients coming to their clinic for care.
JULIE BURKHART, Co-Owner, Hope Clinic: Oftentimes,## they have to bring their children because they# don't have childcare or don't feel t.. can disclose to people why they would need to# maybe leave their children for a day or two.## People go to great lengths to get rides from# friends, to get a bus ticket, to get on a plane.
GABRIELLE HAYS: Now, Burkhart explained, for just# a bit of context, that, just last month alone,## 48 percent of the patients that they saw,# she says, came from the state of Missouri.
AMNA NAWAZ: Gabby, we did see in# other states, like Michigan and Ohio,## in reaction to the overturning of Roe v. Wade,# people launching successful ballot initiatives,## where voters then get to decide on# abortion access in their own states.
Tell us about the effort in Missouri.
GABRIELLE HAYS: Yes, Amna, there is an effort# currently unfolding here in the state of Misso.. Missourians for Constitutional Freedom launched# a campaign in hopes to get abortion the ballot## this fall.
Advocates who work with that# campaign tell us that they were able to get## the amount of signatures, in fact, twice# as many, in order to get on the ballot.
We were able to talk to Tori Schafer,## who is an attorney for the ACLU,# but also works on the campaign,## to kind of explain to us what getting abortion# the ballot could mean for the state of Missouri.
TORI SCHAFER, ACLU of Missouri: Missouri is# unique, in the sense that we're going to show## states across the country that, regardless# of the political dynamics in your state,## folks are with you.
And it doesn't# -- it's not a decision that's made## on political party or who's at the# top of the ticket in your state.
This is an issue that is very personal.# And we know that Missourians are with us.
GABRIELLE HAYS: Schafer pointed# out specifically that the impact## would be substantial, given, as I stated earlier,## that Missouri outlawed abortion so quickly after# Dobbs and has one of the more stricter bans.
AMNA NAWAZ: And, Gabby, we know that# there is a Republican majority in the## Missouri state legislature.
Has there# been any pushback to that effort?
GABRIELLE HAYS: Yes, there definitely has been,# but I think a little context is important.
So we saw state Republican legislators putting# forth legislation this year in hopes to make it## harder to amend the state's constitution.
I had# some Republicans telling me earlier this year## that they felt like it was too easy for people# to be able to change the state's constitution.
Now, that bill didn't go very far, but when# we talk about this in terms of abortion## specifically being on the ballot,# legislators have taken to social media,## Republicans encouraging people to not sign# the petition back when signatures were## being collected, encouraging people# to what they call decline to sign.
And so we have seen a little bit of that.
But# to zoom out a little bit, earlier this week,## I spoke to United States Senator Josh Hawley,# who spoke to me a little bit about this issue.## And he told me, though he is pro-life, he# said, the people should be able to vote.
If## they -- if it gets to that point and it# gets on the ballot, he essentially said## that the people should have the opportunity to# debate on it, if that is what they want to do.
AMNA NAWAZ: So, Gabby, what# about some context here?
I mean,## what are we seeing nationwide on this issue?# Is abortion on the ballot in other states?
GABRIELLE HAYS: Yes, it definitely is,## Amna.
And this is something that# we're learning more about this week.
Just for a little bit of context, we know# that at least six states will have some## type of abortion access language on the ballot# come this fall.
That's states like Nevada and## Florida.
But we also know that about five# of them, at least five other states, have## some sort of pending ballot measures that we're# waiting to see if they make it on the ballot.
Those are states like Missouri, but also Arizona.# We did get some news this week that both Arizona## and Nebraska, that organizers and advocates# there say that they have submitted and they## have enough signatures, in some cases twice# as many, to be able to get on the ballot.
So we're just waiting to see.
And, for# Missouri specifically, advocates tell us## that they believe that we should know whether# or not it'll make it on the ballot in August.
AMNA NAWAZ: All right, that is our communities# correspondent in St. Louis, Gabrielle Hays.
Gabby, thank you.
Good to see you.
GABRIELLE HAYS: Thank you.
AMNA NAWAZ:## Google announced this week it is well# behind on a pledge to all but eliminate## its net carbon emissions by 2030.
Its emissions# are actually up nearly 50 percent since 2019.
One factor, artificial intelligence and the energy## required to power it via the# company's massive data centers.
As economics correspondent Paul# Solman reports, the A.I.
arms## race has experts worried about# its climate consequences.
PAUL SOLMAN: By now, you# have probably seen ChatGPT,## which economist Simon Johnson prompted# to substitute for me in a recent story.
SIMON JOHNSON, MIT Sloan School of# Management: "Good evening.
I am Paul## Solman reporting on a compelling new analys.. PAUL SOLMAN: Now meet Mary, a chatbot# avatar companion created recently for## us on the app Replika.
She is connected# to ChatGPT, but can also flirt on her own.
A.I.
COMPUTER VOICE: Are you# always this irresistible?
PAUL SOLMAN: And, finally, here is 3-D Ameca.
Albert Camus, in his book "Le# mythe de Sisyphe," "The Myth## of Sisyphus," writes "On peut# 'etre vertueux par caprice."
A.I.
COMPUTER VOICE: Ah, on peut 'etre vertueux# par caprice translates to, one can be virtuous## out a caprice.
Camus suggests that virtue need not# stem from deeper philosophies or moral systems.
PAUL SOLMAN: Ameca, too, is hooked up to# ChatGPT.
How quickly can Ameca respond?
Fifteen milliseconds, that's how long it took.
KATE CRAWFORD, University of Southern# California: Which is extraordinary,## but the next question would be, how much energy## does it take to make that whole process# work from ChatGPT to a robot and back?
PAUL SOLMAN: A whole lot, says research# professor Kate Crawford, and that poses a threat.
KATE CRAWFORD: What I'm most worried about is# that we're building an enormous infrastructure## for artificial intelligence that is# extremely energy- and water-intensive,## without looking at the very real# downsides in terms of the climate impacts.
PAUL SOLMAN: Like more brownouts in# Texas, say, wildfires in California,## stronger hurricanes in the Gulf,# 126 degrees in Delhi this spring.
Data centers had already been burgeoning with the## Internet and the so-called cloud# of data storage and exchange.
ALEX DE VRIES, Data Scientist: Then we suddenly## had cryptocurrency mining# adding a lot on top of that.
PAUL SOLMAN: Amsterdam-based# data scientist Alex de Vries.
And as the value of cryptocurrency has# multiplied, so have the data centers,## like those that mine Bitcoin in cheap# energy havens like Plattsburgh, New York.
MAN: This miner here will use as# much power as my house does a month.
PAUL SOLMAN: Says de Vries: ALEX DE VRIES: A.I.
might be# going in the exact same direction.
PAUL SOLMAN: And, notes Crawford, A.I.
is not# just going to stress the electricity grid.
KATE CRAWFORD: These large-scale# data centers, they use GPUs that are## enormously heat-producing.
And the water# to cool these GPU chips is freshwater.## So it's often coming from exactly the same# reserves that are used for drinking water.
BILL STRONG, Equinix: These are# basically customer deployments,## where they're running their critical# infrastructure and their applications.
PAUL SOLMAN: Bill Strong runs the data# centers in Silicon Valley for Equinix,## which operates 260 of the nearly# 11,000 centers that operate worldwide.
The company leases space to firms# like AT&T and Google Cloud to run## servers that power their cloud and A.I.# operations.
And Equinix is expanding.
This is where A.I.-like processors would go?
BILL STRONG: Correct.
This# is a high-density deployment,## liquid-cooled.
So, basically, we're# taking the building's chilled water.## It comes into here.
Each one of these goes# to an actual chip on a customer's server.
PAUL SOLMAN: These are nozzles?
BILL STRONG: Correct.
There's nozzles# wher.. that connects to the server, cools# the chip.
The hot air comes back,## ties into our chilled water system,# gets cooled.
And that's how we're able## to provide liquid cooling for these# higher-density A.I.-type deployments.
PAUL SOLMAN: This Silicon Valley complex# alone features 345,000 square feet of servers,## thousands of them operating 24/7, the company's# global energy budget, as of last year,## same as three-quarters of a million U.S. homes.
And what fraction of global energy use do# the world's 11,000 or so data centers use?
KATE CRAWFORD: We have had# estimates from 2 to 8 percent.
PAUL SOLMAN: But even at the low end?
KATE CRAWFORD: Two percent is around the# same energy budget as the Netherlands.
PAUL SOLMAN: And if, as widely# predicted, that doubles in two years?
KATE CRAWFORD: We could see the energy budget# be as high as a country the size of Japan.
PAUL SOLMAN: Even now, a data center complex# in Iowa owned and operated by Meta uses as much## power per year as seven million# laptops running eight hours a day.
And, of course: CHRISTOPHER WELLISE, Equinix: We're in the# very early days of art.. PAUL SOLMAN: But, as A.I.# taketh away, it may also giveth.
Christopher Wellise runs# sustainability at Equinix.
CHRISTOPHER WELLISE: What we# don't know yet, for example,## is, what will be the benefits to# society from a energy perspective.
PAUL SOLMAN: Such as?
CHRISTOPHER WELLISE: Air Canada is a# customer of Eq.. to optimize their flight pathways and save# fuel for them as a company.
A lot of focus## is on how much energy that A.I.
is going# to use, but the energy that's consumed,## for instance, in training these# large language models is not lost.
You can think of it as stored energy.# Once these models are trained,## if they're retained, they can be# used over and over and over again.
KATE CRAWFORD: There are# some signs that give me hope.
PAUL SOLMAN: Even Kate Crawford agrees.
KATE CRAWFORD: Researchers are now investigating# different sorts of technical architectures,## in particular, what are called small# language models.
These are models## that use much less data and therefore less energy.
We're also starting to see regulators# pay attention.
We have seen the first## bill be brought into Congress which is looking# specifically at A.I.
's environmental impacts.
BILL STRONG: The solar panels are# supplying a half-a-megawatt of power.
PAUL SOLMAN: Case in point, Equinix itself.
BILL STRONG: When the solar panels are active,# we're not pulling from the local utility source.
PAUL SOLMAN: OK, these panels fuel a# mere 3 percent of the facility so far,## but with solar capacity doubling every# three years, maybe the sky's the limit.
REID HOFFMAN, Creator, LinkedIn# Corporation: Ultimately,## I think that will all be very net-positive.
PAUL SOLMAN: Techno-optimist Reid Hoffman,## the creator of LinkedIn, puts# his faith in A.I.
itself.
REID HOFFMAN: A much earlier version, 10 years# ago, when it was applied to data centers,## figured out how to save power in# data centers by 15 percent in the## ongoing week-by-week operation of the data center.
So you go, well, if we're generating A.I.
's# that can help us with this kind of thing,## sure, it takes a bunch of electricity to train,## but then it helps us figure out how to operate# our electrical grids much better, right?
And that's already line of sight today.
And so,## ultimately, I think the electricity# worries is more of a red herring.
PAUL SOLMAN: Really?
REID HOFFMAN: Yes.
PAUL SOLMAN: But, near-term, warns Kate Crawford: KATE CRAWFORD: It's inevitable that# we're going to see price increa.. if we continue to have these sorts# of pressures on the electrical grid.
PAUL SOLMAN: And so the age-old horse race between# the cost of new technology and its benefits,## in the case of A.I.
perhaps, to solve# the problems it creates, or not so much.
For the PBS "News Hour," Paul# Solman in Silicon Valley.
AMNA NAWAZ: The American flag is one of# the world's most recognizable symbols,## but the responses it provokes# are anything but uniform.
A museum exhibit in Arkansas explores how such## a universal symbol can send# so many different messages.
In this encore report, Ali Rogin paid a visit# for our arts and culture series, Canvas.
ALI ROGIN: It flies over the halls of# justice, it's used to mark a solemn## sacrifice, and it's wrapped around shoulders# in celebration.
It's present at the proudest## and the darkest moments in the nation's# history.
The flag represents America,## but it can't represent all the experiences# of those who claim it as their own.
That's the idea behind the exhibit Flagged for## Discussion at the Crystal Bridges Museum# of American Art in Bentonville, Arkansas.
LARISSA RANDALL, Curator, Crystal Bridges# Museum of American Art: Every object## here reflects the artist's personal# relati.. ALI ROGIN: Curator Larissa Randall came up with# the idea for the exhibit while perusing items## in the museum's permanent collection.
There# were so many depictions of the American flag,## but each was so different, like this Norman# Rockwell portrait of Rosie the Riveter quite## literally eating Hitler's lunch, or this# wood carving by Leroy Almon making clear## that the transatlantic slave trade also# took place under the flag's auspices.
Or Ward by George Tooker, in which the flag# provides little comfort to ailing patients.
LARISSA RANDALL: I was struck by how artists# from across time, across walks of life,## of various backgrounds all use the flag to, like,# comment on issues that are important to them.
CONSUELO JIMENEZ UNDERWOOD, Artist: This# is a flag Mexico and the U.S. as one,## but it's bigger than that.
It's, can we get along?
ALI ROGIN: For artists Consuelo Jimenez Underwood,## the flag is both message and medium.
Underwood# was born in Sacramento, California.
Her mother## was third-generation Mexican American.
And# her father was part of the Bracero Program,## which allowed Mexican seasonal workers to come# to the United States during both World Wars.
Her piece at Crystal Bridges is called Home of the# Brave.
It combines the American and Mexican flags,## evoking the strong ties between the two# countries, but also the deep divides.
CONSUELO JIMENEZ UNDERWOOD: I# feel that the threads can join,## not just fabric, but people.
And# that's where I came in.
I wanted## to do something about the division# between our countries, Mexico and U.S. For me, that line is very arbitrary.
ALI ROGIN: Like many children of migrants at the# time, Underwood grew up picking crops with her## family, taxing her small body.
But with the help# of her parents, she nurtured her spirit and mind.
CONSUELO JIMENEZ UNDERWOOD: I learned how# to appreciate the little that I had from my## dad.
And it was the hottest picking tomatoes in# Sacramento Valley in 110 degrees.
It was hard.
And he would sing.
And everybody would listen,## because he had a beautiful voice.
The other magic# that happened in those fields in those early,## early years were the book vans that came# to the fields for us kids that would miss## school the first two months and the# last two months of the school year.
And I made a promise to myself.# Because I'm getting behind.
I swear## I will not read fiction.
I'm only# going to read biography, science,## real stuff, so that I can make up# for the knowledge that I'm losing.
ALI ROGIN: America allowed children like# Underwood to labor alongside adults,## a practice that continues illegally today.
But as Underwood sees it, America# also allowed her to thrive.
CONSUELO JIMENEZ UNDERWOOD: I lived# under the U.S. flag.
And I knew,## if I got an education, I could move# up the social, economic.
So, Consuelo,## don't cry.
You will be the first of 11# of 12 to get that high school education.
ALI ROGIN: She finds inspiration in the methods# of the indigenous Huichol people of Mexico from## whom she is descended.
Her flag rests on a# backdrop of intricate indigenous designs.
CONSUELO JIMENEZ UNDERWOOD: Underneath# is a really important history that,## don't forget, it's the shoulders that we stand on.
ALI ROGIN: Her flag features raw# materials like plastic and barbed## wires.
Safety pins hold the two# flags' loose threads together.
CONSUELO JIMENEZ UNDERWOOD: This flag# is in disarray because it's not perfect,## but it's beautiful, because the land# that it waves over is wonderful.
ALI ROGIN: What does it mean to you to have this## work in conversation with the# other pieces in this exhibit?
CONSUELO JIMENEZ UNDERWOOD: It# really is wonderful.
I feel like## Crystal Bridges is embodying the best# of these artworks that make you jump,## go, oh, my God, I never seen something like that.
LARISSA RANDALL: I would see this# project as successful if someone## left thinking about the flag in a# different way than they walked in.
ALI ROGIN: That's the exhibit's other## common thread, each pieces' piece's# ability to provoke dee.. MARTIN GUERRA-WEST, Holiday Island,# Arkansas: It makes me proud.
It makes## me also thoughtful of our history and how# far we've come in expanding our civil rights.
JIM CHAMBERLAIN, Phoenix, Arizona: As my# cap shows, I was in the service in the## Army.
So the flag to me is the flag, freedom,# because that's what I went in to fight for.
TOR'E ALFORD, Wichita, Kansas: It's# kind of twisted now.
I feel like,## what's the flag?
How free are we,# really, when you really think about it.
LARISSA RANDALL: Some people might look at the# U.S. flag and see unity or fear or harmony or## freedom.
And whatever people see, I think# is valid, but also is worth investigating,## whose freedom are we talking about and# how -- as we move forward as a country,## what do we want this to sort of represent for us?
ALI ROGIN: Flagged for Discussion doesn't answer# those questions, but it starts the conversation.
For the "PBS NewsHour," I'm Ali# Rogin in Bentonville, Arkansas.
AMNA NAWAZ: And before we go, a reminder# to stick around for PBS' very own July 4## concert.
"A Capitol Fourth" features# performances from musical guests and## fireworks from the nation's capital.
That is# tonight on PBS.
And check your local listings.
Remember, there's always a lot# more online at PBS.org/NewsHour,## including a livestream of tonight's# "Capitol Fourth" concert and fireworks.
And that is the "News Hour"# for tonight.
I'm Amna Nawaz.
On behalf of the entire "News Hour" team,# thank you for joining us, and Happy Fourth.
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