>> I AM TORY BEDFORD.

TONIGHT ON GREATER BOSTON, A NEW STUDY FROM HARVARD SHOWS RENTERS IN THE COUNTRY ARE SPENDING MORE OF THEIR INCOME ON HOUSING THAN EVER BEFORE.

I WILL TALK TO ONE OF THE RESEARCHERS BEHIND THE REPORT AND A LOCAL HOUSING EXPERT ON WHAT THIS MEANS FOR MASSACHUSETTS.

PROFESSORS ARE SOUNDING THE ALARM ABOUT RIGHT-WING ATTACKS ON HIGHER EDUCATION.

IT IS NO SECRET THAT RENT IS GETTING HARDER AND HARDER TO AFFORD IN THIS COUNTRY.

THE AFFORDABILITY CRISIS HAS REACHED AN ALL-TIME HIGH ACCORDING TO HARVARD.

IT IS HITTING PEOPLE ACROSS THE INCOME SPECTRUM.

THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

HOUSING IS -- THIS IS A NATIONAL REPORT BUT IT IS ULTIMATELY A VERY LOCAL ISSUE.

CAN YOU TALK ABOUT HOW THE FINDINGS IN THIS REPORT COMPARE TO THE REGION OF NEW ENGLAND OR MASSACHUSETTS?

>> SURE AND THANK YOU FOR HAVING US.

THIS IS VERY MUCH A REFLECTION OF WHAT IS HAPPENING IN NASHVILLE.

RENTERS ARE STRUGGLING TO PAY THEIR RENT, REACHING RECORD HIGHS.

THE DIFFERENCE IN BOSTON IS WE ARE ECONOMICALLY STRONG.

AND BOSTON, WE LOST IS A LONG TIME AGO.

WE ARE LOSING RENTALS OF UNDER $4000 IN BOSTON.

THIS ALL SHIFTED OVER TO THE HIGHER END OF THE MARKET.

PEOPLE ARE REALLY STRUGGLING TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD RENT.

>> AS OF 2022, YOUR RESEARCH FOUND THAT NEARLY ONE IN FOUR RENTERS WERE SEVERELY OVERBURDENED BY THE COST OF HOUSING.

THEY ARE SPENDING AT LEAST HALF -- AT LEAST HALF THEIR INCOME.

IT KIND OF COOLED OFF AFTER THIS BIG BUMP IN 2022 AND PEOPLE ARE HAVING A MORE DIFFICULT TIME AFFORDING RED BUT RENT ITSELF IS NOT NECESSARILY SKYROCKETING.

HOW DOES THIS REPORT SQUARE WITH THE FACT THAT PEOPLE CAN PAY THE RENT BUT RENT IS NOT NECESSARILY AS HIGH AS IT WAS DURING THIS YEAR’S BOONE?

>> OUR MEASURE OF HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE FACING UNAFFORDABLE RENT IS FROM 2022.

THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF A LAG THERE.

RENTS ARE DOWN TO ABOUT ZERO.

THAT SOUND LIKE A GOOD STORY.

WHEN YOU SAY RENT WENT TO THE HIGHEST LOWS THERE -- THEY HAVE EVER BEEN BUT NOW THEY ARE NOT GROWING ANYMORE, THIS MEANS THE PROBLEM IS NOT GETTING WORSE.

THERE WILL BE SOME PROGRESS MADE IN GAINING GROUND ON AFFORDABILITY.

THIS WAS TAKE A LONG TIME FOR PEOPLE TO GET BACK TO WHERE THEY WERE JUST A FEW YEARS AGO.

>> HOUSING IS PART OF EVERY POLITICAL CAMPAIGN.

WE ARE IN THE ASH IN THE HOUSING PRICES EVERYWHERE.

ONE OF THE SOLUTIONS PROPOSED?

>> THEY ARE PROBABLY THREE MAIN THINGS THAT CONTRIBUTED TO HOW WE GOT HERE.

WE HAVE INCREDIBLY RESTRICTIVE ZONING IN MASSACHUSETTS AND ALL THOSE DECISIONS ARE MADE AT THE LOCAL LEVEL.

WE JUST DON’T HAVE ENOUGH AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR AFFORDABILITY OVERALL.

ALL STUDENTS CONTRIBUTE TO THE FACT THAT WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO MEET OUR HOUSING TARGETS OR TO PRODUCE NEARLY ENOUGH HOUSING TO MEET DEMAND.

EVEN THEN, MOST OF THAT WAS NOT AFFORDABLE.

>> WE ARE SEEING BUILDERS BUILD AT THE UPPER END OF THE MARKET.

THAT IS WHAT BUILDERS WILL DO.

THAT IS NOT A BAD THING.

THAT ADDS TO SUPPLY AND ULTIMATELY KEEPS OVER PRESSURES DOWN ACROSS THE BOARD.

YOU HAVE TO BUILD ENOUGH HOUSING SO YOU HAVE AN EXCESS OF HOUSING THAT ALLOWS FOR THAT FILTERING PROCESS TO HAPPEN.

WE HAD NOT BEEN BUILDING ENOUGH.

THE DEMAND FOR APARTMENTS FROM MILLENNIALS MOVING BACK INTO THE CITIES OVER THE LAST DECADE HAS BEEN ASTOUNDING.

TO YOUR POINT EARLIER, WE ARE STARTING TO SEE THAT SUPPLY CATCH-UP IN DEMAND.

>> WHAT DO WE DO NOW?

THAT IS KIND OF WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE.

IF YOU BUILD ENOUGH OF THESE LUXURY CONDOS, EVERYTHING WILL BECOME AFFORDABLE.

THERE ARE ALL OF THESE OTHER POLITICAL THINGS SLOW THE PROCESS DOWN.

WHAT WOULD INCENTIVIZE ME AS SOMEBODY WHO WOULD PUT UP AN APARTMENT BUILDING TO MAKE A PERCENTAGE OF THAT AFFORDABLE?

ALL OF THAT ALONGSIDE SOME OF THE BUDGET PROPOSALS IN THE MOST RECENT BUDGET.

THERE NEEDS TO BE FUNDING PRIORITIES TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ALSO PROVIDING STABILITY PARTICULARLY FOR OUR LOW INCOME RESIDENTS ACROSS THE COMMONWEALTH.

WE HAVE TO CREATE SOME TENANT PROTECTIONS BECAUSE IT DOESN’T HAPPEN OVERNIGHT.

IT TAKES DECADES TO GET THERE.

WE HAVE BEEN UNDERPERFORMING FOR YEARS.

NOBODY CAN LIVE IN A HOUSING ZONE.

PEOPLE ACTUALLY LIVE IN HOMES AND HOUSING UNITS.

IT TAKES A WHILE TO GET THERE.

WE HAVE TO PUT SOME PROTECTIONS IN PLACE TO PROTECT LOW INCOME RESIDENTS.

THEN YOU HAVE TO ACTUALLY CREATE INCENTIVES TO CREATE THE PRODUCTION THAT WE NEED.

OF HOUSEHOLDS RUN BY PEOPLE OVER THE AGE OF 65 CAN’T AFFORD TO MOVE.

WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THE TYPE OF THING WE ARE BUILDING AND CREATE SOME OF THOSE POLICY INCENTIVES.

SO THAT DEVELOPERS ACTUALLY WANT TO BUILD ON THE HOUSING TYPES TO MEET THE HOUSING NEED.

>> IT IS NOT JUST ABOUT BUILDING THE MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

THAT POPULATION IS AGING.

IN PUBLIC HOUSING, THERE IS AN ESTIMATED MATERIAL BACKLOG OF MAINTENANCE FEES.

WE HAVE THESE HOUSES THAT ARE GETTING OLD.

WE HAVE PEOPLE LIVING IN HOUSES THAT ARE GETTING A LITTLE OLDER.

WHAT DOES THAT RESULT IN IF WE DON’T INTERVENE?

>> WE TALK A LOT ABOUT NEW CONSTRUCTION BUT WHAT I THINK THIS BRINGS UP IS THE FACT THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF EXISTING HOUSING THAT NEEDS TO BE RETROFITTED TO BE SUITABLE FOR THE POPULATION THAT WE HAVE.

IF WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT ALL OF THIS, MANY -- THE TALK ABOUT HOW PEOPLE WITH MOBILITY ISSUES CAN GET AROUND.

THERE ARE WAYS WE CAN MAKE THIS MORE SUITABLE FOR PEOPLE AS THEY AGE AS WELL AS ANY NEW HOUSING.

QUICK SOME OF THIS REPORT SHOWS GROWTH IN AREAS THAT ARE MORE AFFORDABLE.

THERE ARE HUGE DISPARITIES THERE.

THERE IS AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT ON SPRAWL.

>> HUGHES.

I STARTED MY CAREER FOCUSING ON TRANSPORTATION ISSUES.

IF YOU CAN’T LIVE CLOSE TO YOUR JOB COME THAT MAJOR GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS ARE GOING UP.

THERE ARE SOME REALLY GOOD POLICIES AT THE ED FUNDING INCENTIVES TO DECARBONIZING HOUSING.

IN GOVERNOR HEELYS HOUSING BOND BILL, SHE ACTUALLY PROPOSES DOLLARS TO DECARBONIZING HOUSING.

THAT IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF THIS CONVERSATION.

>> IT IS KIND OF HEARTBREAKING.

THIS REPORT SHOWS THAT HOMELESSNESS HAS REACHED AN ALL-TIME HIGH ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

THAT DATA IS PROBABLY A LITTLE DUBIOUS.

I GUESS IT SEEMS THE RESULTS OF THIS LACK OF PLANNING WHEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE FORCED INTO HOPELESSNESS AND THEN HAVE TO RELY ON OTHER GOVERNMENT RESOURCES, MAYBE IT IS A PLANNING AHEAD KIND OF THING TO PREVENT THAT IN THE FUTURE.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

I THINK IT HAS BEEN PRETTY WELL DOCUMENTED THAT THE RATE OF HOMELESSNESS IS ACTUALLY STRONGLY CORRELATED WITH THE LEVEL OF RENT.

IF SOMEBODY IS FACING SOME SORT OF HARDSHIP IN LIFE, IF THEY LOST A JOB GOT SICK, THESE THINGS HAPPEN AND SUDDENLY YOU CAN PAY THE RENT.

IF RENTS ARE LOW ENOUGH, YOU CAN FIND A FRIEND WHO HAS A SPARE BEDROOM.

AS THE RENTS GO UP AND UP, THERE IS NO SLACK IN THE SYSTEM SO WHAT WE WERE NOT APOSTASY IS WITH RENTS AT THESE HISTORICALLY HIGH LEVELS ACROSS THE COUNTRY, WE ARE OFTEN FOCUSED ON THE PROBLEM TODAY OF HOW WE FOCUS ON THINGS -- WE CAN’T LOSE SIGHT OF THE FACT THAT IF YOU DON’T HAVE ENOUGH HOUSING TO BEGIN WITH, THAT IS WHY THE PROBLEM IS GETTING WORSE.

WHAT ARE THE BACK TO THIS EARLY PART.

I THINK WE DO HAVE TO BUILD HOUSING ACROSS THE SPECTRUM.

I JUST WANT TO GIVE A SHADOW TO THE MBT HOUSING CHOICE LAW.

TO YOUR POINT ABOUT SPRAWL.

THERE ARE ONLY 15 UNITS PER ACRE.

THAT WOULD ADD A LOT OF SO-CALLED MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING.

SMALLER SCALE MULTIFAMILY HAS, IT COULD BE KIND OF THE HOUSE -- THE KIND OF HOUSING SUITABLE FOR PEOPLE AS THEY AGE BUT IF WE DON’T ADDRESS THIS PARTNER HAS A SUPPLY ISSUE, REDONE THE OVERALL INFLATION IN RENTS AND HOUSING ACROSS THE SPECTRUM, WE WILL SEE IF WE CAN CONTINUE TO GET WORSE AND WE WILL SEE HOMELESSNESS CONTINUE TO RISE.

>> TO CHRIS’S EARLIER POINT, IF THERE AREN’T ENOUGH VALUABLE -- EVENT ENOUGH VALUABLE -- ENOUGH AVAILABLE UNITS, WE REALLY HAVE TO BUILD ACROSS THE SPECTRUM AND COMMUNITIES NEED THE TOOLS TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT AS EASILY AS POSSIBLE.

QUICK THANK YOU BOTH SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

QUICK THANK YOU FOR HAVING US.

>> THE TUMULTUOUS AND INTO CARDIAC A STINT AS HARVARD PRESIDENT IS STILL REVERBERATING.

MANY PROFESSORS ARE WANTED HER RESIGNATION SIGNALS A DANGEROUS INTRUSION OF PARTISAN POLITICS INTO AMERICAN HIGHER ED.

AND RYAN INNES, A PROFESSOR AT HARVARD.

THIS IS A GREAT PIECE, REALLY EXPENSIVE, WHAT IS THE VIBE?

>> THE RESIGNATION SPARK THIS DEBATE ON CAMPUS ABOUT THE RISE OF AUTHORITARIANISM CREEPING INTO HIGHER EDUCATION.

WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE INTERESTING.

I THOUGHT I WOULD DIG INTO THAT TO SEE IF THERE IS ANY MERIT TO IT.

YOU HAVE PROFESSORS SAYING THE SIGNALS INTRUSION OF PARTISAN POLITICS INTO HIGHER EDUCATION, A SPACE WHERE IT DOESN’T BELONG AND THEN YOU HAVE FREE SPEECH AND CIVIL LIBERTARIANS THAT SAY THAT IS OVERBLOWN AND OPPORTUNISTIC.

>> WHAT IS THE FEELING AT HARVARD RIGHT NOW?

HOW ARE PROFESSORS FEELING IN HIGHER EDUCATION IN GENERAL?

IS THERE THAT FEAR THAT EXISTS?

>> THERE IS A FEAR THAT THESE UNIVERSITY PRESIDENTS WERE BROUGHT DOWN THROUGH INTRUSION BY HIM PARTISAN POLITICS.

VERY DIRECTLY BY THESE ATTACKS FROM CONGRESS AND THEIR ALLIES.

THIS REALLY HAS THESE ECHOES TO THE THINGS IN THE PAST.

ALSO, SUCCESSFUL ATTEMPTS.

IT HAS BEEN DAMAGED NOT ONLY TO HIGHER EDUCATION BUT TO DEMOCRACY.

>> ONE COMING THIS ON THE FACULTY IS ONE COMMENTS TOO MANY.

>> THERE IS A HISTORICAL PRECEDENT.

IN THE LAST TWO YEARS WE SAW A DECLINE IN DEMOCRACY.

I THINK THEY TALLIED 17 CONSECUTIVE YEARS OF DECLINE IN DEMOCRACY WORLDWIDE.

WE SAW INCIDENTS IN HUNGARY AND UKRAINE WHERE SPEECH HAS BEEN LIMITED IN HIGHER EDUCATION AND ACADEMIA.

IT IS WELL DOCUMENTED THAT ACADEMIA -- IT IS A THREAT TO AUTHORITARIAN REGIME BECAUSE IT MIGHT CREATE POLITICAL THINKING.

YOU ARE SAYING THIS IS JUST NOT -- >> IT IS NONSENSE.

YOU LOOK AT WHAT IS GOING ON, THE CONTEST FOR THE PRESIDENT -- THE FACT THAT DONALD TRUMP BECAME PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES IS A STATEMENT ABOUT THE RISE OF AUTHORITARIANISM IN THIS COUNTRY HOWEVER, THE SITUATION WITH CLAUDINE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT.

SHE APPEARED TO TESTIFY IN FRONT OF THE CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEE RUN BY THE HARVARD ALUM.

SHE WAS ASKED A VERY SENSIBLE QUESTION TO WHICH HE GAVE I THINK AN ACCURATE ANSWER.

IT WAS ABOUT FREE SPEECH ON CAMPUS THE PALESTINIAN DEMONSTRATIONS.

THOSE DEMONSTRATIONS WERE 100% CONSTITUTIONALLY PROTECTED.

THE ONLY TIME THEY WOULD NOT BE IS IF THEY ENDED UP -- IF THEY TURNED INTO A RIOT.

SHE ANSWERED THE QUESTION THAT THIS WAS IN EXCESS OF FREE SPEECH.

GWEN STEFANI FOLLOWED UP, SHE COULD NOT EXPLAIN IF SHE DIDN’T REALLY BELIEVE IT.

HER HISTORY AS A DEMONSTRATOR WAS THAT SHE HAD THESE DIVERSITY, EQUITY AND INCLUSION SEMINARS FOR STUDENTS AND EVEN FACULTY MEMBERS.

I HAVE A BROCHURE THAT SHE CIRCULATED TO SOME SENIOR FACULTY MEMBERS THAT WERE FRIENDS OF MINE, INVITING THEM TO SHOW UP FOR DIVERSITY TRAINING.

IF I WAS ON THE HARVARD FACULTY AND I GOT THIS, I WOULD SEND IT BACK TO THE DEAN’S OFFICE.

THESE ARE FACULTY MEMBERS BEING TRAINED.

SHE WAS NOT THE RIGHT CHOICE AND I COULD HAVE NAMED 12 CHOICES BETTER FOR THE HARVARD FAMILY THAT THEY WANTED DIVERSITY AND A BLACK WOMAN, THERE WERE SOME FABULOUS BLACK WOMEN IN ACADEMIA INCLUDING SOME AT HARVARD AND DEPICTS A BUREAUCRAT.

IT WAS A TERRIBLE ERROR.

>> THERE IS DIVERSITY AND THEN THERE IS EQUITY.

AND ONLY TALK ABOUT EQUITY, WE TALK ABOUT GIVING SOMEONE AN ADVANTAGE SO THAT THEY CAN HAVE THE SAME OPPORTUNITIES AS SOMEBODY ALREADY HAS THAT.

OFTEN I THINK YOU HAVE TO FACTOR IN THAT NONE OF THESE THINGS ARE HAPPENING IN A VACUUM.

WHEN YOU THINKING ABOUT THE MOTIVATIONS BEHIND PEOPLE QUESTIONING, YOU CAN SEE THE CONSEQUENCES FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN FROM PALESTINE.

I WISH WE HAD A LITTLE BIT MORE NUANCE IN THAT CONVERSATION BUT I THINK WHEN SHE IS TALKING ABOUT THESE PROTESTS AS WELL, YOU WILL THINK THERE IS ANY KIND OF INTENTIONAL ATTACK AGAINST HER FROM HER BILLION -- BILLIONAIRE HEDGE FUND MANAGERS AND ESTABLISH QUICKLY SAY THIS, WHEN YOU HAVE POWERFUL ENEMIES LIKE THAT, YOU HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL WHAT YOU SAY.

SHE WAS NOT SUFFICIENTLY CAREFUL.

IT IS A SIMPLE AS THAT.

THEY WERE RIGHT.

SHE GAVE THEM AND ISSUES TO GET RID OF HER.

>> I WONDER WHAT YOU MADE ABOUT THE DIVERSITY EQUITY THING.

>> QUEST THERE WAS A WHOLE GROUP OF PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY -- ALL OF WHOM LOOKED DIFFERENT, ALL OF WHOM THINK ALIKE, YOU CAN’T DO IT THAT WAY.

YOU CAN HAVE PEOPLE WHO LOOKED DIFFERENT BUT THEY HAVE TO THINK TO FAMILY AS WELL.

>> IF THE STATUS QUO -- IF WE ARE EXCEPTING -- IF IT IS DECEPTIVE THAT THE STATUS QUO IS MALE AND WHITE.

>> I AM FINE BEING AN UPSET OF THE STATUS QUO.

IT HAS TO BE SENSIBLE ENOUGH TO BE EXPLAINED TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND ACCEPTED BY THEM.

INCLUDING THE ALUMNI BODY OF HARVARD.

>> IF THINK THERE ARE SEVEN DIFFERENT THINGS HAPPENING HERE AND A LOT OF NUANCE THAT REALLY BOTHERS ME ABOUT THIS WHOLE CONVERSATION RIGHT WHERE WE ARE TALKING LIKE THIS NDE I IN CONTRAST WITH THE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH.

THERE WAS THIS -- HE TALKED ABOUT JUST IN YOUR VIDEO REPORTING STUDENTS WHO WERE ASKING U.S. GOVERNMENT ENTITY TO INVESTIGATE HARVARD, REPRESENTED BY -- SAYING THEY HAVE BEEN SUBJECTED TO RACISM AND HARASSMENT.

THEY ARE ASKING FOR GOVERNMENT INTERVENTION.

HOW DOES THAT SQUARE WITH ACADEMIC FREEDOM?

>> WE TRY TO LOOK BEYOND CLAUDINE GAY’S FORCED RESIGNATION AND LOOK AT WHAT SOME PROFESSORS ARE DESCRIBING AS THIS AUTHORITARIANISM PLAYBOOK WE HAVE SEEN.

THIS HAS PLAYED OUT WHETHER IT IS HUNGARY, RUSSIA, UKRAINE AND WE SPOKE WITH A RESEARCHER AT THE NEW SCHOOL, JESSICA PISANO, SHE STUDIES AUTHORITARIANISM IN EASTERN EUROPE IN COUNTRIES LIKE -- COUNTRIES LIKE RUSSIA AND UKRAINE, HUNGARY WHERE THEY ARE OPPOSING -- IT STARTS WITH CENSORSHIP.

KIDS SAY POVERTY IN THE CLASS OR WHICH SHE REQUESTED US TO GET IN FLORIDA BUT THEN ENDS WITH FORCING AN ENTIRE UNIVERSITY TO LEAVE BUDAPEST AND DECAMP TO VIENNA.

THEN THEY SENT EXTREME.

BUT PROFESSORS LIKE RYAN AND OTHER PROFESSORS ARE SAYING WE SHOULD BE ON GUARD.

WE SHOULD NOT JUST THINK THAT AMERICA IS EXCEPTIONAL BECAUSE WE HAVE A HISTORY OF DEMOCRACY, THAT WE ARE IMMUNE TO THE SIMILAR KINDS OF THREATS.

AND IN MANY WAYS, THE PLAYBOOK IS TO DRAW ALL OF US INTO THESE WEDGE ISSUES AND TO BE THINGS LIKE FREE SPEECH NDE I.

BY GETTING PULLED INTO THE WEDGE ISSUES, NO -- NO ONE IS MINDING THE STORE.

FEWER PEOPLE WANT THESE JOBS AS COLLEGE PRESIDENTS BECAUSE YOU HAVE A TARGET ON YOUR BACK ALL THE TIME.

THE PLAYBOOK IS BURIED UNIVERSITIES IN PAPERWORK AND BUREAUCRACY AND DRAW THEM INTO THESE DEBATES ABOUT WEDGE ISSUES THAT DON’T ACTUALLY HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE MISSION OF THE UNIVERSITY.

>> I RECOGNIZE BASED ON WHAT SHE SAID THAT IT IS A WEDGE ISSUE BUT TALKING ABOUT PLAGIARIZING.

IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE TO HAVE A HIGHER STANDARD FOR THAT.

AFTER FINDING OUT ABOUT CLAUDINE GAY.

WE REFERENCED THE BILLIONAIRE HEDGE FUND MANAGER WHO IS REALLY LEADING THE CHARGE AGAINST THIS, BILL ACKMAN -- IT WAS FOUND OUT THAT HIS WIFE HAD BEEN A PROFESSOR AT M.I.T.

AND SHE HAD BEEN FOUND TO DO A VERY SIMILAR -- ALMOST EXACTLY THE SAME KIND OF PLAGIARISM.

HE SAID WE ARE GOING TO LAUNCH THIS INVESTIGATION AND I HOPE THAT HE DOES BUT AT THE SAME TIME, HOW WOULD THAT WORK?

HOW WOULD YOU DETERMINE WHAT IS A SERIOUSLY VERSUS INCIDENTAL?

WHAT RISES TO THE LEVEL OF PUNISHMENT AND WHAT THAT PUNISHMENT WOULD BE?

A B THAT IS JUST ANOTHER WEDGE ISSUE THAT SOMETHING -- THESE THINGS, MORE AND MORE.

>> ONE OF THE WAYS RESEARCHERS ARE REVISING IS TO LOOK AT YOU GRADING ACADEMICS.

INSTITUTIONS ARE BEING BOMBED.

THEY ARE UNDER CONSTANT ATTACK AND ECONOMIC FREEDOM IS UNDER THREAT BUT IT IS NOT ON THE DECLINE IN UKRAINE.

THEY ARE MANAGING TO FIGHT BACK.

WHAT THEY DID AS RESEARCHERS THERE IS SETTLE ON STANDARDS AND SAYING THESE ARE THE THINGS WE CAN ALL AGREE ON.

WE MAY DISAGREE ABOUT D.A.

I.

WE CAN ALL AGREE THIS IS WHY WE ARE HERE AND THIS IS WHY IT IS IMPORTANT TO FACTOR IN DEMOCRACY.

>> WE CAN ALL AGREE THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN FREE SPEECH AND HATE SPEECH.

>> WE DON’T AGREE.

HATE SPEECH IS 100% CONSTITUTIONALLY PROTECTED.

IT IS NORMALLY PROTECTED BUT IT IS VERY IMPORTANT.

I WAS A JEWISH KID FROM BROOKLYN AND PRINCETON IN 1960, 1964.

IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT FOR ME.

IT WAS 52% WHITE SOUTHERN BOYS.

ANTI-SEMITISM WAS PALPABLE.

I REALLY WANTED TO KNOW WHO HATED ME SO I KNEW WHO NOT TO TURN MY BACK ON.

HOW DO YOU FIND OUT WHO HATE YOU ?

I AM 100% IN FAVOR OF ALLOWING HATE SPEECH.

NOT HATE VIOLENCE BUT HATE SPEECH.

>> I KNOW THE YOU YOU ARE RIGHT -- THERE ARE GRAY AREAS THERE AS WELL FOR SURE.

>> PEOPLE SAY YOU CAN’T YELL FIRE IN A CROWDED THEATER.

IT IS FALSELY YELLING FIRE IN A CROWDED THEATER.

>> I THINK WHAT WE ARE SEEING ARE THESE DEBATES ON A PLACE LIKE A COLLEGE CAMPUS, WHAT CROSSES THE LINE INTO HARASSMENT OR HATE SPEECH.

THIS IS WHAT CLAUDINE GAY WAS GETTING TARGETED FOR, TRYING TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION, THAT IS WHAT SHE WAS BROUGHT DOWN FOR.

IT IS A COMPLEX QUESTION BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO BE SECURE IN THEIR EDUCATION AND NOT TO BEING TARGETED BY 100% AGREE WITH HARVEY THAT PROTECTED SPEECH.

THE PROBLEM IS WHEN THEY COME IN AND ATTACK UNIVERSITIES, HARVARD IS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE COMPLEXITIES OF THOSE THINGS AND TRYING TO GIVE STUDENTS AN EDUCATION, THEY’RE TRYING TO PROTECT SPEECH AND DO ALL THESE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT UNIVERSITIES DO BUT WHEN THERE UNDER ATTACK BY OUTSIDE LITTLE FORCES, IT DOES NOT ALLOW THEM TO DO IT.

IT DOES NOT HELP ANYBODY.

>> THIS REMOVES SOME OF THE NUANCE.

I HOPE WE CAN CONTINUE TO UNDERSTAND AND YOUR REPORTING HAS REALLY REFLECTED THAT.

THANK YOU.

THAT IS IT FOR TONIGHT.

WE WILL BE BACK TOMORROW.

THE BARBIE MOVIE IS OSCAR READY BUT WHAT ABOUT THE WOMEN WHO MADE IT?

THAT AND MORE TOMORROW AT 7:00.

I AM TORY BEDFORD.

THANK YOU FOR WATCHING.

GOOD NIGHT.

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