>> Ted: COMING UP NEXT ON"ARIZONA HORIZON,," IT'S THE JOURNALIST'S ROUNDTABLE AND WE'LL LOOK AT YET ANOTHER REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE TO SECEDE DEBBIE LESKO.

THAT'S NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO"ARIZONA HORIZON."

I'M TED SIMONS.

IT'S FRIDAY AND THAT MANIED IT TIME FOR THE JOURNALIST'S ROUNDTABLE AND JOINING US FOR A LOOK AT THE WEEK'S TOP STORIES, WE HAVE BOB CHRISTIE, JEREMY DUDA AND MARY JO PITZL JOINING ME ON STUDIO AND BOB ON ZOOM PANEL.

MARY JO, WE'LL START WITH YOU.

WE HAVE ANOTHER CANDIDATE RUNNING IN DISTRICT 8.

>> THIS WOULD BE BLAKE MASTERS.

YOU LAST PROBABLY HEARD OF HIM RUNNING FOR THE REPUBLICAN NOMINATION FOR U.S. SENATE AND HE WAS PART OF THE LAKE AND BLAKE TEAM.

SO HE HAS DECIDED THAT ALTHOUGH HE WAS IN TUCSON, HE WAS WELL SUITED TO REPRESENT LESKO'S CURRENT DISTRICT UP IN THE NORTHWEST PART OF THE VALLEY.

>> Ted: JEREMY, THIS ANNOUNCEMENT CAME NOT TOO LONG AFTER A POLL SEEMED TO SHOW THAT MASTERS HAD A HUGE LEAD OVER ANY AND ALL POSSIBLE CONTENDERS.

>> TAKE ANY POLL THIS EARLY WITH A GRAIN OF SALT AND IT WOULD MAKE SENSE BECAUSE OUT OF ALL THESE CANDIDATES, WHO SPENT MORE MONEY IN ARIZONA LAST YEAR GETTING THEIR NAME OUT THERE THAN THE SENATE CANDIDATES, MARK KELLY AND BLAKE MASTERS.

PEOPLE WHO VOTED IN PRIMARIES KNOW HIM AND HE'S PROBABLY BANKING ON THAT AND WE'LL SEE IF HE HAS THESE RESOURCES BEHIND HIM.

THEY HAVE A HISTORY OF PUTTING A LOT OF FINANCIAL RESOURCES BEHIND THEIR CANDIDATES AND WE'LL SEE IF THOSE POLL NUMBERS HOLD UP.

>> Ted: AND AS FAR AS OTHER -- FIRST OF ALL, I THINK YOU MENTIONED, MARY JO, BLAKE MASTERS DOES NOT EXACTLY LIVE IN THIS DISTRICT.

>> NO.

HE EXACTLY DOES NOT LIVE IN THIS DISTRICT.

HE RAN FOR U.S. SENATE FOR FOR TUCSON, SHOWING HIMSELF WITH HIS FAMILY IN TUCSON AND I MISSED SEEING HIM THIS WEEK.

BUT JEREMY INFORMS HE HE WAS RUNNING IT WITH ALL OF THE TUCSON LANDSCAPES.

>> A LOT OF SOUTHERN ARIZONA LANDSCAPES AND MEMBERS OF HIS FAMILY AND U OF A GEAR AND FOLKS MAYBE WANT SOMEONE WITH CONNECTIONS TO THE WEST VALLEY AND VERY DISTINCT AREA OF THE PHOENIX METRO AREA.

RIGHT NOW, THE TWO LEADING CANDIDATES DO NOT LIVE THERE AND ONE LIVES IN THE PHOENIX METRO AREA.

>> Ted: BOB, WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THIS AND MAYBE SOMEONE ELSE JUMPING IN TO MAKE IT MORE INTERESTING?

>> THIS WILL BE A FREE-FOR-ALL.

CD8 IS WEST SIDE OF PHOENIX, SUN CITY, THE RETIREE COMMUNITY IS OUT THERE AND GROWING AREA OF THE VALLEY.

WHEN FORMER REPRESENTATIVE TRENT FRANKS STEPPED DOWN UNDER A HUGE CLOUD OF ISSUES, WHICH WE WON'T GET INTO, BUT IT WAS BAD ENOUGH FOR HIM TO BE THROWN OUT OF CENTRAL, DEBBIE LESKO AND 11 OTHER REPUBLICANS JUMPED TO THAT RACE BECAUSE IT'S A SOLID REPUBLICAN DISTRICT.

IT IS NEVER GOING TO BE A DEMOCRAT UNLESS THEY REDISTRICT IT AND THAT MEANS THIS IS THE ONE CHANCE FOR REPUBLICANS WHO WANTNEVER HAVE TO BATTLE TO GET IN.

THERE WAS 12 CANDIDATES IN THE PRIMARY IN A SPECIAL ELECTION.

IT WAS 2018 WHEN DEBBIE LESKO WON THAT BY TEN POINTS.

WE'LL SEE A LOT MORE PEOPLE IN THIS.

THERE'S BEEN NAMES BANDIED AROUND AND OBVIOUSLY THE HOUSE SPEAKER LIVES THERE, BEN TOMA LIVES THERE.

AND ANYBODY ELSE WHO HAS WEST VALLEY EXPERIENCE IS GOING TO BE IN, AS WELL.

IT'S GOING TO BE A KNOCK-DOWN, DRAG OUT IN THE PRIMARY.

>> Ted: BOB, HOW BIG A DEAL FOR THESE VOTERS IN THIS PARTICULAR DISTRICT THAT YOU LEAVE AT LEAST CLOSE TO THE DISTRICT?

>> IT WILL MATTER.

IT WILL ABSOLUTELY MATTER BECAUSE ONE, IT WILL GIVE FODDER TO ANY OPPONENT TO SAY, LOOK, YOU KNOW, I GREW UP IN PEORIA AND I GREW UP IN WEST GLENDALE.

I KNOW THIS DISTRICT AND CANDIDATE X IS FROM TUCSON.

THAT WILL GIVE THEM A LEG UP.

AS FAR AS VOTERS, I DON'T KNOW IF VOTERS THEMSELVES, IF YOU ASK THEM, THEY WOULD SAY YES BUT I THINK THEY'RE MORE INTERESTED IN THE ACTUAL CANDIDATE THEMSELVES, BUT IT WILL SWAY ON THE EDGES, AT LEAST.

>> I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT, ESPECIALLY WITH THE CROWDED FIELD, WHICH I THINK WE'LL BENEFIT SOMEBODY LIKE BLAKE MASTERS WHO HAS MORE NAME I.D.

THAN MOST OF THE OTHER NAMES THAT HAVE BEEN FLOATED.

IT'S IMPORTANT JUST TO POINT OUT THAT TO RUN FOR CONGRESSIONAL SEAT, YOU DO NOT HAVE TO LIVE WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF THAT DISTRICT UNLIKE FOR THE STATE LEGISLATURE.

SO, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE POINT TO JOHN McCAIN MOVED HERE AND PICKED A DISTRICT AND RAN.

I'LL BE CURIOUS TO SEE IF MASTERS ESTABLISHES ANYTHING IN THE EIGHTH DISTRICT OR TEMPORARY HOMESTEAD.

>> WE'VE SEEN A ABE HAMMADEH WHO GOT INTO THE RACE AND PEOPLE SAY HAMMADEH HIMSELF LIVES IN SCOTTSDALE AND GOOGLE MAPS SHOWING IT AND HEY, THE LOCATION MARKER ON THAT PICTURE IS SOMEWHERE IN SCOTTSDALE.

MAYBE THAT LEAVES THE DOOR OPEN THAT VOTERS CARE OR DON'T CARE FOR A BEN TOMA AND WE'LL HAVE TO SEE IF THEY CAN GET THE GRASS ROOT'S SUPPORT.

SENATOR ANTHONY KERN HAS BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT AND LIVES IN THE DISTRICT.

WE'LL SEE A LOT OF OTHER FOLKS.

THOSE FOUR ARE PROBABLY THE BIGGEST NAMES AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL SEE ANY NOTABLE NAMES.

>> Ted: LAST POINT, BOB.

NOT LONG AFTER BLAKE MASTERS ANNOUNCED HIS CANDIDACY, KARI LAKE SAID I ENDORSE ABE HAMMADEH.

WILL THAT MAKE A DIFFERENCE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER?

>> IT COULD.

YOU KNOW, KARI LAKE MUST HAVE HAD 20 RALLIES AT A LITTLE RANCH PLACE, RODEO GROUNDS OUT FAR, FAR WEST VALLEY DURING HER CAMPAIGN.

AND THAT'S HER BASE OF BASES IS THE WEST VALLEY.

THAT COULD HAVE AN IMPACT, ABSOLUTELY.

>> Ted: LET'S MOVE ON AND JENNA ELLIS PLEADED IN THE GEORGIA ELECTION CASE, TRYING TO TURN OVER THE PRESIDENTIAL VOTE.

SHE PLEADS GUILTY HERE.

DOES THAT IMPACT ANYTHING GOES ON IN ARIZONA?

>> IT COULD.

ARIZONANS MAY RECOGNIZE JENNA ELLIS FROM NATIONAL NEWS FROM A HEARING TYPE MEETING AND I BELIEVE IN LATE NOVEMBER AFTER THE 2020 ELECTION THIS YEAR WITH RUDY GIULIANI TRYING TO EXPLAIN WHY THE LEGISLATURE SHOULD OVERTURN WITH FRAUD AND FEASANCE AND THE PRESSURE CAMPAIGNS TO GET THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE AND LAWMAKERS TO OVERTURN THE RESULTS, YOU DON'T KNOW.

SHE AGREEING TO TESTIFY AND THIS IS JUST FOR THE GEORGIA CASE AND IF SHE'S AGREEING TO TESTIFY THERE, IT STANDS TO REASON THAT THERE ARE ISSUES TO OPINE IN ARIZONA THAT SHE FINDS HERSELF AVAILABLE TO DO SO.

>> I CAN'T REMEMBER IF ELLIS RECORDED A VIDEO PRIOR TO TAKING THE PLEA THAT WILL BE THERE FOR PROSECUTORS TO USE AND IF SHE DID, THAT'S A RECORD -- A STATEMENT ON THE RECORD, I WOULD ASSUME OUR ATTORNEY GENERAL WILL BE EAGER TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.

>> Ted: CORRUPTION OCCURRED HERE AND CERTIFICATION OF FALSE RESULTS IS UNETHICAL AND OFFICIALS KNOWINGLY DISENFRANCHISED ARIZONA VOTERS.

ISN'T THAT THE KIND OF STUFF THAT GOT HER PLEADING GUILTY TO IN GEORGIA?

>> IT ABSOLUTELY IS.

SHE'S BEEN SENSOR BY THE COLORADO STATE BAR WHERE SHE'S A LAWYER BASED IN D.C. AND LICENSED IN COLORADO.

SHE WAS CENSORED THERE LAST YEAR INCLUDING FOR SAYING THAT THERE WAS 500,000 FALSE VOTES IN ARIZONA.

SHE ADMITTED THAT SHE MESSED UP THERE AND SHE KEPT HER LAW LICENSE.

NOW SHE HAS A FELONY CONVICTION.

SO SHE'S PROBABLY OUT OF THE STATE IN THE BAR.

YOU CAN'T CONTINUE TO BE A LAWYER WITH A FELONY CONVICTION, UNLESS THE SUPREME COURT OF THE STATE LETS YOU IN.

I WOULD BE INTERESTED -- I HAVE NOT READ THE PLEA AGREEMENT IN THIS CASE AND WHETHER OR NOT IT SPECIFIES SHE HAS TO HELP WITH THE PROSECUTIONS IN GEORGIA.

IT MAY HAVE A SWEEP-ALL THAT SAYS ANY OTHER ELECTION PROSECUTIONS.

I'M NOT SURE.

SHE'S GETTING PROBATION.

SO SHE GETS A FELONY AND THAT'S A BAD PROBLEM FOR HER AND HER CAREER, BUT SHE STAYS OUT OF JAIL, IF SHE PARTICIPATES AND HELPS PROSECUTORS.

OF COURSE, PRESIDENT TRUMP IS NEVER ON THE LIST THERE.

>> EVEN IF THERE'S NOTHING TO SAY SHE HAS TO COOPERATE IN OTHER CASES, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE HERE WILL DO.

SHE'S BEEN INVESTIGATING -- WE HEADER IN THE "WASHINGTON POST," THERE'S A NEW FOCUS ON THE PRESSURE CAMPAIGNS LOCAL FOLKS AND HERE IN ARIZONA MAY HAVE SEEN FROM PEOPLE IN TRUMP'S INNER CIRCLE.

DOES THAT EXTEND PEOPLE WHO CAME OUT HERE FOR A BIG HEARING AFTER THE ELECTION LIKE JENNA ELLIS AND RUDY GIULIANI.

IS IT POSSIBLE THAT FOLKS LIKE THIS IN ARIZONA, AN INDICTMENT EXTENDING OUTSIDE THE STATE.

IT DID IN GEORGIA AND THERE'S NO REASON WE COULDN'T SEE SOMETHING SIMILAR HERE IF THE INVESTIGATION GOES THE WAY DEMOCRATS ARE HOPING IT WILL GO.

>> Ted: THEY'RE NOT JUST LOOKING AT THE FACT ELECTORS AND NOW REPORTEDLY LOOKING AT THIS WHOLE BUSINESS, AS WELL.

>> PRESSURE CAMPAIGN ON OTHER OFFICIALS SUCH AS THE MARICOPA COUNTY SUPERVISORS, OVERSEE ELECTION PROCESSES AND WE ALL KNOW ABOUT FORMER HOUSE SPEAKER RUSTY BAUERS BOWERS.

>> Ted: THE DEAL, RUDY GIULIANI, QUOTE, WE HAVE A LOT OF THEORIES, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE EVIDENCE.

GOING TO PLAY SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE.

MARY JO, LET'S STICK WITH YOU.

A TASK FORCE WITH PROPOSALS AND WHAT DID THEY SAY?

>> THIS IS GOVERNOR KATIE HOBBS' BIPARTISAN ELECTION TASK FORCE AND FORMED IT TO GET RECOMMENDATIONS ON BIPARTISAN MEASURES THAT THEY COULD TAKE TO THE LEGISLATURE IN 2024.

THERE WAS SOME CRITICISM THAT THE RECOMMENDATIONS, YOU KNOW, WEREN'T BOLD AND BIG, BUT IF YOU'RE TRYING TO FIND SOMETHING THAT WILL PASS THE LEGISLATURE THAT'S CONTROLLED BY REPUBLICANS, BIG AND BOLD WON'T WORK UNLESS YOU DO AWAY WITH EARLY VOTING AND YOU ELIMINATE DROP BOXES, WHICH IS THE LAST THING THIS PANEL WANTS TO DO.

PROBABLY LEADING THE LIST IS THEY PUT A SENSE OF URGENCY AND WE'VE HEARD IT, ABOUT ARIZONA'S RECOUNT LAW AND IT'S BEEN IN PLACE FOR ONE CYCLE, THREE RACES GOT AUTOMATICALLY RIGHT COUNTED AND NOTHING CHANGED.

SO THE PROSPECT IS THAT WE WILL SEE MORE RECOUNTS IN 2024 BECAUSE VERY COMPETITIVE RACES AND IT'S A VERY SMALL NUMBER THAT REALLY, IT TAKES TO TRIGGER AN AUTOMATIC RECOUNT.

THE PROCESS OF DOING THE THEAUTOMATIC RECOUNT CLASHES WITH THE DEADLINES FOR CERTIFYING ELECTORS FOR THE PRESIDENT.

>> Ted: AND BOB, THAT'S A BIG DEAL, THIS DEADLINE AND TIMELINE.

WE'LL SEE PRIMARIES AND ELECTIONS MOVED AROUND HERE AND WHAT WILL HAPPEN?

>> THEY'RE LOOKING AT IT REAL CLOSELY.

OF COURSE, THIS IS THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION, THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE AND THEY HAVE TO MEET BY JANUARY 6th.

I'M NOT SURE WHAT IT WILL BE IN 2024, BUT IT'S EARLY IN JANUARY.

AND SO DO YOU CHANGE THE RECOUNT THRESHOLD?

YOU CAN ONLY COUNT EARLY BALLOTS SO FAST AND WE KNOW IT TAKES MARICOPA COUNTY BEFORE THEY OPEN ALL THEIR EARLY BALLOTS, EIGHT TO TEN DAYS.

THEY GET A HALF MILLION THAT THEY HAVE TO PROCESS.

SO THERE'S TIME THAT HAS TO BE TAKEN TO PROCESS THE VOTES AND THEN YOU HAVE TO DO ALL OF THE CHECKING ON PROVISIONERS AND ALL OF THIS OTHER STUFF THAT HAS TO BE DONE.

IF YOU HAVE A RECOUNT, IT COULD TAKE SIX, SEVEN WEEKS AND WE'RE UP AGAINST WHEN THE NEW PRESIDENT HAS TO BE SEATED OR AT LEASTENNAMED.

IT'S A BIG PROBLEM.

WE HAD A SUPER TINY THRESHOLD, LIKE ONE-TENTH PERCENT AND IT WAS LIKE 50 VOTES IN OTHERS.

THEY MADE IT.5%.

SO A HALF A PERCENT, WHICH IN A BATTLEGROUND STATE OF ARIZONA, IT WILL BE THAT CLOSE.

HOW THEY FIX IT, I DON'T KNOW.

>> ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE TASK FORCE, JUST REPEAL THAT LAW AND GO BACK TO THE OLDER STANDARD.

YOU KNOW, IT'S A LITTLE MORE WIGGLE ROOM IN THERE.

THEY'VE PROPOSED MOVING OTHER DEADLINES.

THIS DOES AFFECT PRIMARY ELECTIONS, ESPECIALLY IF YOU HAVE AN AUTOMATIC RECOUNT IN A PRIMARY ELECTION, THAT COULD HOLD UP GETTING BALLOTS MAILED OUT PER SCHEDULE FOR OVERSEAS AND MILITARY VOTERS.

SO MAYBE YOU CAN MOVE A DAY TO THE PRIMARY AND HAVE THE COUNTY SEND IN THEIR ELECTION CANVASS ELECTRONICALLY.

IT'S 2023.

AS OPPOSED TO USING THE U.S. MAIL.

THAT SAVES A COUPLE OF DATES.

THEY'RE LOOKING FOR LITTLE WAYS TO ADD MORE TIME.

>> Ted: BUT THESE WAVES HAVE TO GET PASSED THE LEGISLATURE, DO THEY NOT?

>> THEREIN LIES THE PROBLEM BECAUSE FROM 150 OR SO VETOES, THE LEGISLATURE AND GOVERNOR NOT HAVING A GOOD TIME TO AGREE ON A LOT AND THERE'S A ONE-VOTE MAJORITY FOR THE REPUBLICANS AND THAT MAKES THINGS DICEY WITHIN THE LEGISLATURE ITSELF.

NOW, WE'VE HEARD FROM WENDY ROGERS AND BARBARA PARKER AFTER WORD CAME OUT COUNTY ELECTION OFFICIALS WERE WORRIED ABOUT THE AUTOMATIC RECOUNT THING.

I THINK IT'S SAFE TO SAY ANYTHING WENDY ROGERS COMES UP WITH WON'T GET SIGNED BY GOVERNOR HOBBS AND ANYTHING GOVERNOR HOBBS SIGNS WON'T BE OKED BY WENDY ROGERS.

THE ONLY THING YOU CHANGE THAT WILL GET ENOUGH SUPPORT THERE FROM THE LEGISLATURE AND GOVERNOR WILL BE PRETTY SMALL, NIBBLING AROUND THE EDGES.

REPEALING THE RECOUNT LAW, THEY WON'T DO THAT AND THAT WAS PASSED BECAUSE OF HOW CLOSE THE TRUMP AND BIDEN RACE WAS IN 2020.

THIS HAS BEEN KICKED AROUND AND REJECTEDREJECTED DOWN AT THE CAPITOL BEFORE.

AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT THEY CAN DO WHEN THEY GET BACK TO THE LEGISLATURE.

>> Ted: CONCURRENT SPECIAL SESSION, MAYBE?

>> YOU COULD IF YOU COULD GET AGREEMENTS TO DO THAT.

TO JEREMY'S POINT, SENATOR CANADIAN BENNETKENBENNET, HE SAID IT WON'T FLY.

PEOPLE DON'T TRUST.

AND HE SUPPORTS DOING THIS, BUT HE'S JUST SAYING THIS WON'T WORK.

ALMOST ALL OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE TASK FORCE DID PASS UNANIMOUSLY WITH THE EXCEPTION OF RESTORATION OF VOTING RIGHTS AS SOON AS THEY HAVE SERVED OUT THEIR TERM.

BENNET OBJECTED SAYING LOOK, THERE'S OTHER THINGS YOU NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT LIKE PROBATION AND IF YOU HAVE TO PAY RESTITUTION TO YOUR VICTIMS, THOSE THINGS NEED TO BE RESOLVED BEFORE WE RESTORE VOTING VOTING RIGHTS.

>> WE HAVEN'T SEEN THE FULL COURT PRESS OF HOW IMPORTANT THIS IS.

WHEN WE GET THE UNITED STATES SENATORS AND FULL BORE CONGRESSIONAL MEMBERS POINTING OUT THAT ARIZONA WILL LOSE ITS ELECTORAL VOTES, 11 ELECTORAL VOTES WILL BE THROWN OUT IF WE DON'T FIX THIS, IT WILL UP THE PRESSURE ON THE LEGISLATURE AND GOVERNOR TO DO SOMETHING.

>> AS I MENTIONED, TRYING TO GET THIS THROUGH THE LEGISLATURE, IF THEY WAIT UNTIL NEXT SESSION, THE NEW LAWS DON'T GO INTO EFFECT UNTIL AFTER 90 DAYS UNTIL THE LEGISLATION ENDS UNLESS THEY CAN GET TWO-THIRDS MAJORITY WHICH IS EXTREMELY DIFFICULT FOR ANY MAJOR CHANGE.

THAT MAY NOT BE UNTIL AFTER THE PRIMARY.

THEY WERE THERE UNTIL LATE JULY THIS YEAR.

>> Ted: BOB, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE NO-LABELS PARTY?

AND WHY IS THE SECRETARY NOT IMPRESSED?

>> THE NO-LABEL'S PARTY, NO ONE KNOWS WHO'S BACKING THEM FINANCIALLY.

THEY CAST THEMSELVES WITH AN INDEPENDENT VOICE FOR VOTERS WHO ARE SOUTH SOUTH SCREENING FOR INDEPENDENCE.

WHEN THEY COLLECT ENOUGH SIGNATURES, THEY TELL THE SECRETARY, HEY, ANYBODY THAT'S OPEN TO FAILING FOR CANDIDACY IN A RACE AS A NO-LABEL'S PARTY.

THE STATE CAMPAIGN FINANCE LAWS SAY YOU HAVE TO DISCLOSE YOUR DONORS AND YOU HAVE TO DO ALL OF THESE OTHER FINANCIAL DISCLOSURES AND NO LABELS COMES BACKING AND WAIT, FAL LAW FEDERAL LAW PREVAILS AND WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT AS FAR AS OUR SECRET DONORS OR DARK MONEY DONORS.

THEN THEY CAME BACK AND FONTES ACTUALLY ALLOWED SOME CANDIDATES TO FILE FOR STATE OFFICES OR LOCAL OFFICES.

AND THEY CAME BACK AND SUED HIM FOR DOING THAT.

AND SO THERE'S A BIG BATTLE.

FONTES SAYS, NO, YOU CAN'T TELL ME YOU'RE A POLITICAL PARTY THAT IS FOR THE WHOLE STATE AND THEN WIN IT AND PARTY MEMBERS CAN'T VOTE IT.

SO IT'S A BIG FIGHT.

>> Ted: JEREMY, THIS REMINDS ME OF THE TEA PARTY, NON-PARTISAN AND WE QUICKLY REALIZED THERE WAS SOMETHING GOING ON THERE.

>> THE TEA PARTY WAS OVERTLY CONSERVATIVE FROM THE BEGINNING AND I DON'T THINK THERE WAS AN ATTEMPT TO HIDE WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND THEY WEREN'T A PARTY.

THIS WERE A MOVEMENT WITHIN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

THIS IS A POLITICAL PARTY, ALBEIT WITHOUT ANY DEFINED IDEOLOGICAL BELIEFS TO HELP DEFEAT THE DEMOCRATS.

IT'S INTERESTING WHAT NO LABELS IS ASKING FOR.

THE ENTIRE BENEFIT OF BAGGAGE A BAGGAGE BEING A RECOGNIZED PARTY, I DON'T THINK IT EVER OCCURRED THAT YOU COULD GET BALLOT ACCESS TO THE PARTY AND SAY WE DON'T WANT TO RUN ANY CANDIDATES.

I'M NOT SURE THAT'S POSSIBLE.

I THINK IF POLITICAL PARTIES HAD THE OPTION OF DECIDING WHO GOT TO RUN FOR CANDIDATES IN STATE OFFICE, YOU WOULD SEE A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGSES.

THE REPUBLICAN PARTY UNDER KELLY WARD WOULD HAVE A LOT TO SAY.

FAKE GREENE PARTY CANDIDATES TO TRY TO HURT THE DEMOCRATS AND THE SAME THING WITH THE LABOR LIBERTARIANS AND HURT THE REPUBLICANS, I SUPPOSE.

THE NOTION A PARTY CAN CONTROL WHO GETS TO RUN IS EXTREMELY NOVEL AND I GUESS WE'LL FIND OUT IN COURT HOW IT WILL PLAY OUT.

>> Ted: SECRETARY FONTES SAYING YOU ARE GOING TO RUN AND THEN YOU ARE NOT GOING TO RUN.

>> HE GOT CRITICISM FROM DEMOCRATS BECAUSE HE CERTIFIED THEM AS A POLITICAL PARTY AND SAID, YOU KNOW, THE SIGNATURES LINED UP AND THEY WORKED OUT AND SO THEY'RE ON THE BALLOT.

BUT THEY CAN'T MAKE UP THE RECALLS.

HE'S GOT TO GO BY WHAT THE LAW SAYS.

AGAIN, LIKE JEREMY SAYS, WE'LL SEE WHAT THE COURTS DO WITH THIS.

TED BOB, FROM A DISTANCE, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE PLAN THAT THEY HAVE IS TO KEEP EITHER, LET'S SAY TRUMP AND BIDEN, FROM GETTING ENOUGH ELECTORAL VOTES ON THE ELECTION RETURN TO GET THROWN INTO STATE HOUSES AND STATE HOUSES WOULD WIND UP VOTING FOR THE REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE.

THAT SEEMS TO BE THE CONSPIRATOR CONSPIRATORIAL THEORY.

HOLD ANY WATER TO YOU?

>> THAT'S A STRETCH FOR A CONSPIRACY THEORY.

IT CAN DRAW VOTES FROM ONE PARTY OR ANOTHER, FROM ONE CANDIDATE OR ANOTHER TO MAKE ONE LOSE.

SO PRESIDENT TRUMP, FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP IS GOING TO HAVE A HARD TIME GETTING THE MODERATES.

CURRENT PRESIDENT BIDEN IS GOING TO HAVE ISSUE WITH THE CENTER OF THE ELECT ELECT TRANSIT.

ELECTORATE.

IF YOU CAN GET ENOUGH IN THE MIDDLE, YOU CUT DOWN.

HOW YOU CONTROL THE MESSAGE, WE HAVEN'T SEEN THE MESSAGE YET.

THAT'S WHAT'S INTERESTING.

WE HAVEN'T SEEN WHO THEY'LL RUN OR DRAW VOTES AND WHO THEY WOULD COME -- >> AILI'LL SAY THIS, IF NO LABELS GETS CANDIDATES ON THE BALLOT, ESPECIALLY THE PRESIDENTIAL LINE, MAYBE WE WON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT AN AUTOMATIC RECOUNT BECAUSE NOBODY WILL LOSE A WIN NARROWLY.

>> IF ALL THEY WANTED WAS A PRESIDENT AND VICE PRESIDENT ON THE BALLOT, FILING FOR BALLOT ACTIONS MAY HAVE BEEN A SELF INFLICTED WOUND.

YOU DON'T NEED TO BE RECOGNIZED.

IF YOU'RE AN INDEPENDENT, YOU GET ON THE BALLOT, YOU CAN CALL THE SECRETARY OF STATE'S UP TO THREE WORDS AND SAY "WE'RE TO LABELS."

AND NOW THAT YOU'VE GOTTEN IT, YOU MAY BE FORCED TO DEAL WITH WHO WANTS TO RUN FOR OFFICE UNDER YOUR NAME FOR WHATEVER THE IDEOLOGICALTHIS IS.

>> Ted: HA IS TOVAR?

>> THE NEWEST MEMBER OF THE STATE BOARD OF EDUCATION.

SHE IS A FORMER TEACHER.

SHE'S GOVERNOR HOBBS APPOINTEE.

>> Ted: AGAIN, SHE WILL NOT NEED TO GO THROUGH THE NOMINATION PROCESS SO MANY PEOPLE THE GOVERNOR PUTS UP THERE BECAUSE?

>> SHE'S NOT THE HEAD OF THE AGENCY.

>> Ted: DOES SHE EVEN NEED TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS?

>> THEY DO A HEARING BEFORE THE COMMITTEE OF REFERENCE AND SHE WILL BE VETTED BY THE SENATE EDUCATION COMMITTEE, WHICH PROBABLY WILL OPERATE DIFFERENTLY THAN THE DIRECTOR NOMINATION COMMITTEE.

>> Ted: NOT AS MUCH DRAMA, JEREMY.

>> THE NOMINATION COMMITTEE WAS DESIGNED TO CREATE A LOT OF TROUBLE FOR GOVERNOR HOBBS NOMINEES AND CHAIRED BY KEN BENNETT WHO IS MORE OF THE OLD SCHOOL AND I THINK DECENT RELATIONSHIP WITH COMMISSIONER TOVAR, NOT LOOKING TO JUST DRAG SOMEONE'S NAME THROUGH THE MUD.

ONCE SHE GETS OUT OF THAT COMMITTEE, SHE'LL NEED CONFIRMATION BY THE FULL SENATE JUST LIKE ANY OTHER CONSECUTIVE APPOINTEE AND FOLKS WHO AREN'T DIRECTOR, WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF DELAYS, A LOT OF HICCUPS IN THAT PROCESS IN THE SENATE.

SHE WILL HAVE AN EASIER ROAD THAN THE FOLKS WHO GOVERNOR HOBBS PICKED.

>> Ted: 30 SECONDS LEFT, RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE BOARD OF EDUCATION AND TOM HOREN, WHAT ISNE, WHATIS IT?

>> NOT HORRIBLE.

I THINK THE BARRED, BOARD, WHICH IS FLAIRFAIRLY OBSCURE SHOULD BE OBJECTING WITH TOM IF THEY DON'T PUSH BACK.

I WAS REALIZE SURPRISE, IT SOUNDS LIKE A POTENTIAL BRIGHT LIGHT THAT WARREN PETERSEN ALLOWED HER TO GO THROUGH THE NORMAL PROCESS.

HE COULD HAVE SENT HER TO THIS DIRECTOR'S COMMITTEE AND HE DIDN'T.

IS THAT AN OLIVE BRANCH.

>> Ted: WE WILL END ON THAT NOTE OF OPTIMISM AS ENCOURAGEMENT.

PANEL, GOOD TO HAVE YOU HERE.

THAT'S IT FOR NOW.

I'M.

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