>> THIS WEEK ON TO THE CONTRARY... FIRST, MEN LEADING THE GLOBAL WOMEN'S MOVEMENT.

THEN THE ROLE OF GENDER IN JULIA PEARSON'S RESIGNATION.

BEHIND THE HEADLINES MODEL AND MATERNAL HEALTH ADVOCATE CHRISTY TURLINGTON BURNS.

I'M BONNIE ERBE WELCOME TO TO THE CONTRARY A DISCUSSION OF NEWS AND SOCIAL TRENDS FROM DIVERSE PERSPECTIVES.

UP FIRST, HEFORSHE.

>> WHO SHOULD LEAD THE GLOBAL WOMEN'S MOVEMENT FOR GENDER PARITY?

THERE ARE SIGNS THE ANSWER IS BECOMING MEN.

AFTER EMMA WATSON'S U.N.

SPEECH ON WOMEN'S RIGHTS AND ANNOUNCEMENT OF THE HEFORSHE CAMPAIGN CONTINUES TO GENERATE CONTROVERSY.

THE CAMPAIGN IS DESIGNED TO ENGAGE MEN TO WORK FOR GENDER EQUALITY.

ICELAND ANNOUNCED THIS WEEK IT WAS PLANNING A U.N. CONFERENCE AND WOMEN AND GENDER EQUALITY AS A MALE ONLY EVENT.

ICELAND'S FOREIGN MINISTER LATER CLARIFIED SAYING WOMEN WOULD BE INVOLVED IN SOME CAPACITY.

A MAY 2014 REPORT TO THE U.N.

QUESTIONS WHETHER ENGAGING MEN AND DEVOTING MORE FUNDING TO GROUPS SUPPORTING MEN'S WORK TOWARD GENDER EQUALITY HELPS WOMEN.

QUOTE THE INCREASING FOCUS ON MEN AND MEN'S ORGANIZATIONS IS SEEN BY SOME AS A THREAT TO WOMEN'S ORGANIZATIONS AND WOMEN'S MOVEMENTS.

IN THIS VIEW, DONOR ATTENTION TO MEN'S ORGANIZATIONS SEEMS TO SIGNIFY A SHIFT OF SUPPORT AWAY FROM WOMEN'S EMPOWERMENT AND WOMEN'S LEADERSHIP.

AND A HANDING OVER OF THE REIGNS IN THE STRUGGLE FOR GENDER EQUALITY TO MEN.

IS A MALE-ONLY CONFERENCE A GOOD IDEA OR A BAD IDEA?

>> BONNIE, I SAY LET THE FELLOWS GO AT T PUT THEM IN A ROOM BY THEMSELVES AND TALK ABOUT DOMESTIC VIOLENCE WHY MEN HIT WOMEN AND COME OUT AND TELL US WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO DO ABOUT IT.

>> I DON'T THINK IT IS A BAD IDEA BUT I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK IT IS A GOOD IDEA.

YOU PUT MEN IN THE ROOM P IF THAT CONVERSATION IS DOMINATED BY WOMEN TELLING MEN THE BAD THINGS THEY DO THEY ARE LESS LIKELY TO PARTICIPATE.

>> I THINK WE MISSED THE POINT OF EMMA WATSON'S SPEECH.

SHE SAID WE SPEND TOO MUCH TIME TALKING ABOUT WOMEN'S RIGHTS WE NEED TO INCLUDE MEN.

IT DOES NOT MEAN EXCLUDING WOMEN COMPLETELY.

>> I THINK IT'S FANTASTIC THAT MEN WANT TO DIALOGUE.

BUT MOSTLY EDUCATED MEN WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT MEN IN VILLAGES OF INDIA OR AFRICA WHERE IT IS NEEDED.

IT'S NEEDED ACROSS THE WORLD BUT PARTICULARLY IN THOSE COUNTRIES.

>> I THINK JUST ABOUT EVERY WOMAN IN THE WOMAN'S MOVEMENT INCLUDED WOULD SAY OF COURSE MEN SHOULD BE PART OF THE CONVERSATION.

BUT SHOULD THEY BE GETTING FUNDING IF THERE IS A LIMITED POT OF FUNDING AND WOMEN HAVE BEEN FIGHTING FOR IT FOR SO LONG SHOULD THEY BE DIPPING INTO THE POT?

SHOULD WE EXPAND THE POT.

>> DIP RIGHT ON IN.

>> WHY DO YOU SAY THAT?

>> I SAY THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN TALKING TO OURSELVES.

I DON'T NEED TO TELL YOU ALL ABOUT ALL I'VE HEARD FROM MY CONSTITUENTS ABOUT DOMESTIC VIOLENCE.

AND I'VE SELDOM HEARD MEN CHIME IN.

ONE CONFERENCE.

I DON'T SEE THAT AS A THREAT OF DONORS.

>> THAT IS ONE CONFERENCE.

BUT THE REPORT THAT I NOTE SECOND A U.N. REPORT THAT CAME OUT THE END OF MAY.

AND IT SAYS THAT THERE'S REAL FEAR AND UNREST WITHIN WOMEN'S MOVEMENTS GLOBALLY NGO'S GLOBALLY BECAUSE THEY ARE FIGHTING FOR THE SAME POT OF PIE.

>> BAD REASON FOR NOT WANTING TO INCLUDE MEN IN ON THE CONVERSATION.

>> I AGREE BONNIE.

I WORRIED THIS IS TAKING AWAY FUNDING AND GIVE TO GO TO THE MEN'S RIGHTS ACTIVIST GROUPS.

ITS A SMALL POT.

>> I'M NOT ADVOCATING ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

>> YOU ARE RIGHT.

I THINK WE HAVE TO MEET IN THE MIDDLE GROUND.

I AM WORRIED WE ARE TURNING TO THE OPPOSITE EXTREME NOW.

>> I THINK IN THIS CASE, I SAY EXPAND THE POT TO BE HONEST.

I KNOW THAT SOUNDS VERY UNLIKE ME BUT I WILL SAY THAT IT'S NECESSARY THAT WE DRIVE FUNDS THIS WAY.

>> IN YOUR PARENTS' HOMELAND OF INDIA SHOULD THEY BE WITH THAT HUGE RAPE PROBLEM THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SHOULD THEY BE FUNDING MEN'S GROUPS TO TELL MEN -- TEACH MEN TO STOP IT?

WOULDN'T IT BE MORE EFFECTIVE?

>> I THINK IT WILL BE MORE EFFECTIVE THERE IS A GANG RAPE CASE THAT CAME UP IN INDIA IN THE CAPITAL IN 2012 AND IT CAPTIVATED THE WORLD.

THE WOMAN WHO WAS ATTACKEDP DIED WAS WITH A MALE COMPANION AND SHE WAS NOT SAFE.

I THINK EDUCATION IS GOING TO WORK IN PLACES LIKE INDIA.

EDUCATE THE MEN AND SEND FUNDS TOWARDS EDUCATING THEM.

>> IN THE INDIAN CULTURE WE SPEND DECADES TELLING WOMEN WHAT TO DO AND THE FAULT AND THE SHAME AND THE BLAME IS OFTEN PUT ON WOMEN.

I LIKE THAT WE NEED TO STOP TELLING OUR DAUGHTERS NOT TO GO OUT INSTEAD OF TELLING OUR SONS NOT TO RAPE.

>> THERE IS A TREND NOW AND THERE ARE FATHERS YOU HAVE AN EXAMPLE, PARENTS FROM THESE COUNTRIES WHO SUPPORT THEIR YOUNG LADIES AND THE YOUNG WOMEN GETTING EDUCATED AND BEING SUCCESSFUL.

I THINK IT IS A GREAT IDEA THAT THOSE MEN GET OUT AND TALK ABOUT IT IT AND SHARE IT WITH OTHER PEOPLE.

AND I DO NOT THINK IT HARMS THE WOMEN'S MOVEMENT BY HAVING MEN BE PART OF THE DIALOGUE.

WE ARE PREACH TO GO UNTIL WE ARE BLUE IN THE FACE.

>> I WANT -- >> WHAT ABOUT MEN TAKING OVER THE WOMEN'S -- WE'VE TALKED ABOUT AND I WANT TO MOVE ON.

WE'VE TALKED TO ABOUT HAVING THEM ENGAGED WHICH IS NOBODY IS GOING TO SAY THAT IS NOT IMPORTANT.

WHAT ABOUT THEM RUNNING THE WOMEN'S MOVEMENT?

>> WHO IS AFRAID OF THAT?

YOU KNOW F. AFTER 50 YEARS OF FEMINISM WE CANNOT KEEP HOLD OF OUR OWN MOVEMENT WE DON'T DESERVE IT.

IF WE ARE NOT STRONG ENOUGH TO KEEP OUR MOVEMENT TOGETHER WHEN MEN TRY TO JOIN IT THEN BOY HAVE WE FAILED.

>> BUT THIS IS A MEN'S ONLY CONFERENCE THEY ARE ALREADY KICKING US OUT OF IT.

>> BUT HE BACKED OFF.

AND BY THE WAY, I THINK IT'S REALLY FUNNY THAT THIS SHOULD HAPPEN IN ICELAND.

I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE BEEN THERE, BUT IT IS ONE OF THE WORLD'S MOST EQUAL IN TERMS OF GOVERNMENT POWER AND SUCH.

ON THE OTHER HAND, I WAS THERE SEVERAL YEARS AGO, THERE IS ONLY ONE ENGLISH LANGUAGE RADIO STATION.

IT'S ABOUT THE 12-STEP PROGRAM.

THERE IS SUCH A PROBLEM WITH MEN AND ALCOHOL THE WOMEN ARE HAVING CHILDREN WITHOUT HUSBANDS OR WITHOUT MALE PARTNERS BECAUSE THE MEN ARE ALL DRUNK.

FOR AND THERE IS A HUGE PROBLEM THERE.

WOMEN WANT TO GET MARRIED THERE IS NOBODY SOBER TO MARRY.

FOR THAT COUNTRY TO HAVE DOME UP WITH THE IDEA TO ME IS STRANGE.

>> AS WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS IS CASE BY CASE COUNTRY BY COUNTRY.

EMMA WATSON WAS ADDRESSING THE UNITED NATIONS PEOPLE FROM COUNTRIES LIKE IRAN ARE THERE.

I MEAN SOMEBODY IRANIAN WAS LISTENING AND PEOPLE ARE STONED THERE.

TO DEATH.

WOMEN ARE STONED FOR THINGS OF WALKING IN PUBLIC.

SO THESE ARE BIGGER ISSUES AND THEY ARE HEATED.

>> AND WOMEN AND MEN WERE IN THE SAME ROOM IN THOSE COUNTRIES IT'S HARD TO KEEP FROM POINTING FINGERS AS OPPOSED TO HAVING A DISCUSSION WHERE YOU TALK ABOUT SOLUTIONS.

SO I THINK FOR THEM AS A FIRST STEP MAKES A LOT OF SENSE AND I'M GLAD TO SEE IT.

>> WHAT ABOUT THE WORLD WHERE EMMA WATSON WHO IS EXTREMELY POISED AND INTELLIGENT YOUNG WOMAN DELIVERS THE MESSAGE TO THE U.N. ABOUT ENGAGING MEN MORE AND THEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE LIKE -- WAS LISTENED TO AROUND THE WORLD BECAUSE OF HER STAR POWER, BUT SHOULD THAT MESSAGE HAVE BEEN DELIVERED BY HER OR BY WOMEN WHO HAVE BEEN WORKING IN THE FIELD FOR DECADES AND KNOW A WHOLE LOT MORE ABOUT IT?

>> BOTH.

IT'S LIKE AN ANGELINA JOLIE EFFECT THE HOLLYWOOD CELEBRITY, YOU KNOW TRYING TO DO GOOD WORK AROUND THE WORLD IS IMPORTANT.

BUT WE CANNOT LOSE THIS SAY HUMAN RIGHTS MOVEMENT AND GET EQUAL RIGHTS FOR WOMEN.

>> WHAT ABOUT A MALE STAR DELIVERING THIS MESSAGE?

I WONDER WHAT SHE WAS DOING AS THE MESSENGER.

IF YOU ARE TRYING TO GET CREDIBILITY WITH MEN WHY DON'T YOU START WITH ANY OF THE PLETHORA OF MALE STARS?

>> MALE STARS ARE SPEAKING OUT.

JOHN LEGENDARY SPOKE OUT.

JOHN LEGEND SPOKE OUT.

AND I MEAN A LOT OF MEN ARE SPEAKING OUT AND THE YOUNGER GENERATION OF MEN BECAUSE THEY HAVE GROWN-UP WITH WOMEN AS THEIR PEERS THEY DON'T HAVE THE ISSUE -- >> HAVE YOU HEARD OF A RAPE ON CAMPUS.

THEY NEED IT MORE THAN ANYBODY.

>> INTERESTING.

WHAT ABOUT WILL HER MESSAGE MAKE FEMINISM COOL?

CAN SHE FIGHT BACK AGAINST THE RUSH LIMIT BA'S OF THE WORLD AND SHE COMES OUT AND SAYS IT'S COOL WILL YOUNG PEOPLE LISTEN HER?

>> SHE TRIED TO MAKE THE POINT THAT FEMINISM IS NOT NECESSARILY ABOUT ANTIMAN.

IT'S ABOUT HAVING EQUALITY.

>> THE MEN HATING PART.

>> IT'S ABOUT HAVING EQUALITY AND LOOKING AT OUR SIMILARITIES AS OPPOSED TO THE DIFFERENTS IS ONE OF THE THINGS SHE TALKED ABOUT AND HOW WE CAN TAKE THOSE ASSETS AND BRING THEM TOGETHER TO HAVE MORE EQUALITY.

IT IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR YOUNG PEOPLE TO GET INVOLVED.

MEN, WOMEN, IT DOESN'T MATTER.

IF WE HAVE THE DIALOGUE THAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING.

>> ALL RIGHT.

LET US KNOW WHAT YOU THINK.

FOLLOW ME ON TWITTER TWITTERER OR TO THE CONTRARY.

FROM ADVANCEMENT TO SECURITY.

>> JULIA PIERSON, THE FIRST WOMAN TO HEAD THE SECRET SERVICE RESIGNED THIS WEEK FOLLOWING A MAJOR SECURITY LAPSE AT THE WHITE HOUSE.

WHILE SHE WAS TESTIFYING BEFORE CONGRESS REPORTS SURFACED THAT AN INTRUDER MADE IT FARTHER INTO THE WHITE HOUSE LAST MONTH THAN PREVIOUSLY BELIEVED.

THAT SECURITY BREACH WAS JUST ONE OF A NUMBER OF INCIDENTS AND SCANDALS THAT HAVE PLAGUED THE AGENCY.

A 2012 SCANDAL TRIGGERED PIERSON'S SELECTION TO HEAD AND CLEAN UP THE SECRET SERVICE.

AGENTS WERE FOUND TO HAVE HIRED PROSTITUTES IN COLOMBIA WHILE PREPARING FOR A TRIP THERE.

NO ONE CHARGES PEER SOP'S DEPARTURE WAS CAUSED BY SEXCISM.

SOCIAL MEDIA QUESTIONED WHETHER PIERSON WAS QUALIFIED FOR THE JOB OR BASED ON GENDER PREFERENCE.

ONE COMMENTATOR RAISED THE POINT ABOUT THE GLASS CLIFF AND STUDIES SHOW THAT WOMEN TEND TO GET BIG OPPORTUNITIES WHEN A COMPANY OR ORGANIZATION IS IN TROUBLE.

THEY SLIDE OFF QUICKLY WHEN THINGS ARE NOT FIXED.

DOES HER RESIGNATION HAVE WIDER IMPLICATIONS FOR WOMEN AT THE HEADS OF CORPORATIONS OR MAJOR GOVERNMENT ORGANIZATIONS?

>> I DON'T THINK IT DOES AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT BECAUSE THE SECRET SERVICE IS A UNIQUE AGENCY.

IT WILL HAVE TERRIBLE IMPLICATIONS FOR THE WOMEN IN THE SECRET SERVICE AND THAT IS WHAT WE SHOULD FOCUS ON.

>> SHE WAS NOT THE FIRST PERSON THE PRESIDENT HAD SELECTED.

IT WAS A MAN WHO WAS A FORMER SECRET SERVICE AGENT WHO RUNS SOME GLOBAL SECURITY COMPANY.

AND HE STEPPED DOWN OR DID NOT TAKE THE APPOINTMENT.

SHE WAS SECOND RUNNER NEWSPAPER THAT POSITION.

AND I THINK THAT THEY DON'T TALK ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE WOMAN AGENT WHO WAS OVERCOME DURING THE BREAK IN OR THE GUY JUMPING THE FENCE WAS A WOMAN.

THE ARGUMENT IS SHE IS CLEANING UP ALL THE MALE MESSES IS NOT TRUE.

>> I KNOW JULIA PIERSON AND I HAVE BEEN TO THE WHITE HOUSE DURING THIS MESS I AM ON THE COMMITTEE -- >> YOU HAVE BEEN ALL OVER THE PLACE THIS WEEK.

>> I'M CONCERNED WITH TWO THINGS.

I'M CONCERNED WITH THE PRESIDENT'S SAFETY AND BANNING THE PEOPLE FROM THE WHITE HOUSE.

I THINK SHE WAS BROUGHT IN WHEN THERE WAS A PARTICULAR MESS.

>> HIRING PROSTITUTES.

>> THAT IS RIGHT.

SHE HAS 30 YEARS PROUD HISTORY.

NOW IT COMES TO US TO UNDERSTAND WE DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE SECRET SERVICE.

AS FAR AS I KNOW THERE'S NEVER BEEN AN OVERHAUL OR A STUDY OF THE SECRET SERVICE.

WE HAVE ASSUMED BECAUSE THEY GUARD THE PRESIDENT IT'S LIKE A SECRET SOCIETY.

NOW WE FIND OUT DURING THE HEARING THAT IT IS FULL OF PROBLEMS OF THE KIND YOU FIND IN OTHER FEDERAL AGENCIES EXCEPT MORE DANGEROUS BECAUSE THE PROBLEMS WITHIN A FEDERAL AGENCY INCLUDING COVER UP OF GUNFIRE OF NOT TELLING US HOW FAR THE INTRUDER MADE IT INTO THE WHITE HOUSE.

>> WAS THAT A COVER UP OR IGNORING SOMETHING THAT DID -- BAD JUDGMENT?

>> BAD JUDGMENT?

THEY MADE IT INTO THE WHITE HOUSE FURTHER THAN I'VE EVER BEEN.

THAT IS BAD JUDGMENT.

NO WHEN YOU PUT THAT TOGETHER WITH THE FACT OF THE FOUR GUNSHOTS THAT PIERCED THE RESIDENCE AND IT WAS EITHER GUNFIRE OR MAYBE A BACKFIRE FROM AN AUTOMOBILE, BUT WE WILL NOT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT IT.

AND IT IS DISCOVERED FOUR DAYS LATER BY A STAFF MEMBER IN THE WHITE HOUSE?

THAT LOOKS LIKE A COVER UP.

BUT I WOULDN'T CALL IT THAT.

I WOULD CALL IT IF WE ARE QUIET WE CAN DEAL WITH THOSE THINGS AND WE THINK THERE MAYBE SO MUCH LIKE THAT AND THE COMMITTEE WAS BIPARTISAN WANT A TOTAL REVIEW OF THE SECRET SERVICE.

WE THINK FOR THE FIRST TIME IN ITS HISTORY.

>> WITH PEOPLE WALKING IN AND WALKING IN THROUGH THE BACK DOOR AND FIRING INTO THE RESIDENCE -- >> THE FRONT DOOR.

>> WHATEVER.

BUT I'M THINKING OF THE SPIELBERG MOVIE ON LINCOLN WHERE BACK IN THE CIVIL WAR, LITERALLY THE DOORS WERE OPEN AND WHOEVER COULD GO IN AND OUT.

>> THIS IS OUR DISCUSSION AND IN THE MEDIA IN GENERAL IS EXPOSING HOW WEAK THE SECURITY AROUND THE PRESIDENT IS.

I FEEL LIKE MAYBE WE SHOULD WRAP UP THE CONVERSATION BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WHO DO WANT TO HARM THE PRESIDENT NOW, ARE WE GIVING THEM MORE INFORMATION?

>> I DON'T THINK THE SECURITY AROUND THE PRESIDENT IS WEAK.

I THINK THERE WILL ALWAYS BE A BLIP HERE AND THERE.

I DO.

IT MAY SEEM THAT WAY THAT IS WHY WE WILL STUDY TO SEE WHAT IS WRONG AND HOW GOOD IT IS AND HOW BAD IT IS IS IN ORDER.

>> AND ENTER THE WHITE HOUSE BUT THE REALITY TV CREW.

BUT HOW IS A GUY ABLE TO GET ON AN ELEVATOR WITH A GUN WITH THE PRESIDENT?

TO ME, I MEAN -- >> THAT WAS THE LAST STRAW.

SHE DID NOT TELL US THAT IN OPEN SESSION AND WE HAD A SECRET SESSION AND SHE DID NOT TELL US THAT THEN.

>> WHEN IT COMES TO NATIONAL SECURITY IT'S MORE IMPORTANT THAT WE FOCUS ON WHAT IS BETWEEN SOMEONE'S EARS RATHER THAN LEGS.

IS SHOULD NOT MATTER WHETHER IT IS A MAN OR A WOMAN RUNNING IT.

YOU NEED TO BE A WONDERFUL FANTASTIC MANAGER MANY AND YOU NEED TO HAVE ACCOUNTABILITY TO THE FOLKS AND IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THE TIME SHE HAS BEEN AGAIN YOU KNOW MORE THAN I DO, IT DOESN'T SEEM THAT SHE HAS BEEN CRACKING THE WHIP.

>> I AM THE FIRST ONE TO SAY SHE WAS BROUGHT DOWN BECAUSE SHE WAS A WOMAN BUT IN THIS SITUATION IT DOESN'T SEEM THAT WAY TO ME UNLESS THERE IS A LOT THAT I DON'T KNOW.

THAT SAID, HOWEVER, ASSUMING SHE IS REPLACED BY A MAN WHO CLEANS THINGS UP, DOESN'T THAT MAKE WOMEN LOOK LIKE THEY ARE NOT GOOD MANAGERS.

>> THIS IS VERY UNFORTUNATE.

BUT IN THIS CASE, WE ARE CAPTURED BY WHAT WE DIDN'T KNOW.

NOBODY KNEW HOW MESSED UP EXCUSE THE EXPRESSION THE SECRET SERVICE WAS.

MAN OR WOMAN.

>> WHY WOULD CONGRESS HAVE BETTER OVERSIGHT OVER THE C.I.A.

THAN THE SECRET SERVICE.

>> CONGRESS DOESN'T HAVE MOREOVER SIGHT OF THE C.I.A.

THAN IT DOES OF THE SECRET SERVICE.

ONLY FEW MEMBERS OF CONGRESS KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE SECRET SERVICE.

AT LEAST WE HAVE A FEW KNOWING WHAT IS GOING ON -- WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY THAT KNEW THERE WERE SECRETS WE NEEDED TO KNOW ABOUT THE SECRET SERVICE.

>> IT MIGHT BE TRUE SHE CAME TO THE POSITION BECAUSE OF THE PROSTITUTION SCANDAL IN COLOMBIA.

BUT TO BE HONEST THESE LAPSES DEFINE THE FACT THAT THIS IS A BOY'S CLUB AND THEY NEED TO CLEAN HOUSE IN THIS BOYS CLUB.

>> IS THAT GOING TO HAPPEN?

>> I THINK SO.

I THINK THE COMMITTEE WANTS I WAS THE FIRST ONE TO SAY, I DON'T THINK THIS IS A PERSONNEL PROBLEM.

PUT SOMEBODY ON TOP OF THAT AND YOU HAVE A CULTURE THAT IS SCARY.

SO YOU NEED SOMEBODY WHO IS GOING TO SAY THIS PLACE I'M STARTING ANEW.

THIS IS 21ST CENTURY SECRET SERVICE.

>> WHAT HOW DO YOU START ANEW?

CLEAR OUT ALL TOP MANAGERS?

>> HOW YOU START IS TOP TO BOTTOM INVESTIGATION WE DON'T KNOW ENOUGH TO START.

THAT WOULD BE THE MOST RESPONSIBLE WAY AND THEY HAVE ANNOUNCED THAT THERE WILL BE A PANEL TO LOOK AT THIS INCIDENT BUT AT THE ENTIRE SECRET SERVICE.

>> I THOUGHT IT WAS TERRIFYING THE TURNOVER RATE IN THE SECRET SERVICE IS SO HIGH THEY ARE BRINGING IN SECRET SERVICE FROM STATES NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE CITY OR THE WHITE HOUSE SECURITY AREAS SO I THOUGHT THAT WAS WORRYINGISM SHE SAID THEY WERE DOWN 550 PERSONNEL MOST OF THOSE WOULD HAVE BEEN AGENTS.

>> OUT OF HOW MANY?

>> THAT WAS TO BE FUNCTIONING AT OPTIMAL LEVEL.

I NEED 550 MORE PEOPLE BUT THEY HAVE 6,000 MEMBERS RIGHT NOW.

>> WE NEED TO ASK OURSELVES MORE DIFFICULT TO GET VETTED FOR A GOVERNMENT JOB THAN IT WAS FOR THE GUY TO GET ON THE ELEVATOR WITH A PRESIDENT WITH A LOADED GUN.

>> IT'S NEVER EASY FOR MEDIA TO GET IN THERE.

YOU HAVE TO GIVE THEM YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER AND BE CLEARED IN ADVANCE AND VETTED.

IT'S EASIER FOR CRIMINALS THAN JOURNALISTS.

BEHIND THE HEADLINES MATERNAL HEALTH.

WHAT A MODEL TURNED ADVOCATE IS DOING TO MAKE PREGNANCY AND CHILDBIRTH SAFE FOR MOTHERS WORLDWIDE.

>> WHETHER IT'S THE LACK OF EDUCATION FOR OUR GIRLS, LACK OF SEXUAL REPRODUCTIVE EDUCATION AND ACCESS TO SERVICES.

BASIC FAMILY PLANNING SERVICES TO MORE COMPREHENSIVE FAMILY PLANNING.

ALL OF THOSE THINGS PUT WOMEN'S LIVES AT RISK.

>> ONE WOMAN DIES EVERY TWO MINUTES IN PREGNANCY OR CHILDBIRTH WORLDWIDE.

SUPERMODEL CHRISTY TURLINGTON IS WORKING TO CHANGE THAT SOLEMN STATISTIC.

SHE FOUNDED EVERY MOTHER COUNTS AN ORGANIZATION DEDICATED TO MATERNAL HEALTH.

SHE IS ALSO PRODUCED A DOCUMENTARY ABOUT THE ISSUE.

TURLINGTON SAYS SHE FOUND OBVIOUS SIMPLE BUT UNDERFUNDED SOLUTIONS CAN SAVE LIVES.

SOLUTIONS LIKE PROVIDING A RIDE FOR A DOCTOR'S APPOINT MANY.

>> MUCH OF RURAL AFRICA WOMEN LIVE MANY, MANY MILES AWAY FROM ANY HEALTH FACILITY.

SO WE FOCUS ON THAT IN TANZANIA AND BANGLADESH WE FOCUSED ON BARRIERS THAT PREVENT A WOMAN FROM SEEKING CARE AND IN GUATEMALA WE FOCUSED ON WOMEN WHO INDIGENOUS BACKGROUNDS THAT DID NOT HAVE ACCESS.

THE MOST MARGINALIZED IN THEIR COMMUNITIES DID NOT HAVE ACCESS TO ANYTHING.

DISTANCE, PEOPLE, SUPPLIES, JUST NOTHING.

>> SOME 70% OF INFANT DEATHS ARE DUE TO LACK OF AWARENESS OR ACCESS TO BASIC HEALTHCARE.

TURLINGTON BELIEVES BY FOCUSING ON THE MOTHER INFANT MORTALITY WILL ALSO DECREASE.

>> OFTENTIMES YOU HEAR MORE ABOUT THE NEWBORN OR THE CHILD.

AND THERE IS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF FOCUS ON CHILD SURVIVAL.

OUR ORGANIZATION IS FOCUSING ON THE MOM AS A CALL TO ACTION TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL MATERNAL AND CHILD DEATHS ARE ADDRESSED BECAUSE WE CAN ACTUALLY DO A LOT MORE WHEN WE ARE FOCUSING ON THE CARE IF BOTH LIVES AT THE SAME TIME.

>> EVERY MOTHER COUNTS FINDS CREATIVE WAYS TO CONNECT WITH AMERICAN WOMEN TO ENGAGE THEM IN THE CAUSE.

ONE WAY IS WITH MARATHONS.

THE RACES HELP RUNNERS BETTER YOU HAD THE DAILY LIVES AND PLIGHTS OF THE WOMEN THEY ARE SUPPORTING.

>> IF SHE HAS AN EMERGENCY OR A COMPLICATION SHE WOULD HAVE TO TRAVEL A DISTANCE OF 35 KILOMETRES THAT IS THE DISTANCE OF A MARATHON N OUR TRAINING AND RACES WE HAVE GOTTEN MORE PEOPLE TO CONNECT ON THAT ONE ISSUE OF JUST DISTANCE AS A BARRIER AND IT'S BECOME A VERY BIG PART OF OUR OUTREACH.

>> TURLINGTON'S DEDICATION IS PERSONAL.

SHE SURVIVED A CHILDBIRTH COMPLICATION THAT COULD HAVE BEEN FATAL FOR WOMEN IN THE DEVELOPING WORLD.

TURLINGTON UNAPOLOGETICALLY USES HER STORY AND HER MODELING CONNECTIONS TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

>> IT'S REALLY THE TESTIMONIAL THAT IS THE MOST POWERFUL THAT WHEN I TALK AT ANY EVENT, IT'S THAT CONNECTION.

THE RELATIONSHIPS THAT YOU'VE BUILT THROUGHOUT YOUR LIFE AND CAREER WILL OPEN DOORS AND PEOPLE WANT TO HEAR WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY WHEN YOU HAVE AN AUTHENTIC MESSAGE AND YOU HAVE DONE YOUR HOMEWORK AND YOU ARE TALKING THE TALK.

>> EVERY MOTHER COUNTS CURRENTLY OPERATESOPERATES IN INDONESIA, UGANDA, HAITI, CONGO, INDIA AND THE U.S TURLINGTON CONTINUES TO PUSH HEALTH LITERACY AROUND THE WORLD AND PROVIDE FOR THOSE IN NEED.

>> IT TAKE AN EMPOWERED MOTHER EMPOWERED COMMUNITY TO BE ABLE TO EMPOWER ANOTHER.

>> SO HOW IMPORTANT ARE NGO'S NON-GOVERNMENTAL ORGANIZATIONS NON-PROFITS LIKE THE ONE SHE FOUNDED IN TERMS OF MEETING GOALS THAT THE U.N. HAS FOR MATERNAL AND CHILD HEALTH VERY SUSPEND GOVERNMENT -- VERSUS GOVERNMENT RELATED ORGANIZATIONS.

>> THEY ARE SO IMPORTANT THEY ARE EVERYTHING THEY ARE THE BACKBONE OF THIS MOVEMENT.

IN BANGLADESH IT'S THE HEALTHCARE WORKERS WE HAVE A HUGE ISSUE WITH ROADS OUTSIDE OF THE CITY WE DON'T HAVE ROADS.

WHEN SHE IS TALKING ABOUT ACCESS, IT IS A REAL PROBLEM.

WE HAVE WOMEN GOING DOOR-TO-DOOR OFFERING WOMEN BIRTH CONTROL AND MIDWIFE TRAINING.

I'M SPOKEN TO CHRISTY TURLINGTON AND HER ADVOCACY IS IMPORTANT BY SHARING HER STORY SHE DEMONSTRATES THE FACT THAT THESE ARE NOT WOMEN DIEING IN POOR BROWN COUNTRIES FAR AWAY.

WOMEN ARE DIEING IN AMERICA AND BANGLADESH AND IT IS AN ISSUE OF PRIORITIZING WOMEN'S LIVES.

>> WHY IS IT THIS ISSUE FROM MY PERSPECTIVE HAS BEEN WORKED ON FOR DECADES FROM AN INTERNATIONAL PERSPECTIVE WHY ARE WE STILL SO FAR AWAY FROM MEETING THE MILLENIUMAL GOALS OF THE U.N.?

>> IT IS LIKE AN ISSUE THAT IMPEDED PROGRESS OVER THERE.

HERE, IN THE U.S. WE KNOW THERE ARE TWO MATERNAL DEATHS EVERYDAY AND THAT FIGURE IS ALARMING.

TWO STILL EVERYDAY?

THAT IS A LOT.

BUT INTERNATIONALLY, WE LOOK AT THE CULTURAL NORMS AND IT WILL TAKE EDUCATION TO FIX THESE.

>> THERE ARE THE TWO THAT CAME TO MIND HAVING THIS CONTRACEPTION DEBATE IN CONGRESS AND WOMEN ARE STILL DYING.

AND WE NEEDED TO RAISE THE PROFILE AND SHE IS DOING THAT.

>> I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT SOMEONE IS ADVOCATING FOR PROTECTING WOMEN AND DURING CHILDBIRTH AND I THINK IT'S GREAT TO SEE SOMEONE ESPECIALLY HOLLYWOOD TYPES TO BRING THIS DIALOGUE TO THE TABLE.

FOR ONCE WE ARE NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT WELL, YOU KNOW ABORTION OR BIRTH CONTROL WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HOW ARE WE GOING TO SAVE SOMEONE'S LIFE WHO IS PREGNANT.

>> ISN'T BIRTH CONTROL AN IMPORTANT ISSUE IN SAVING THE WOMEN'S LIVES?

INSTEAD OF HAVING SEVEN OR 10 CHILDREN AND HALF DIE AT CHILDBIRTH?

>> I MEAN AN IMPORTANT POINT IS THAT THE WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION ESTIMATES ABOUT 250 MILLION WOMEN AROUND THE WORLD LACK ACCESS TO CONTRACEPTIVES AND AMERICA PLACES 40TH FOR DEVELOPED INDUSTRIALIZED COUNTRIES AS FAR AS MATERNAL MORTALITY RATES AND TWO WOMEN EVERYDAY IS ONE TOO MANY.

NO WOMAN SHOULD BE DYING GIVING BIRTH.

>> IF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR A CAUSE YOU FOUND ONE.

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