ANNOUNCER: TONIGHT ON SHOWCASE WITH BARBARA KELLAR, ERICA WAINWRIGHT FROM CINCINNATI MUSEUM CENTER.

STAY TUNED.

SHOWCASE STARTS RIGHT NOW.

[MUSIC] KELLAR: HI, I'M BARBARA KELLAR AND WE'RE REALLY HAPPY TO BE HERE TODAY WITH ERICA WAINWRIGHT, WHO IS WITH THE MUSEUM CENTER.

AND HER TITLE IS... WAINWRIGHT: I'M THE SENIOR DIRECTOR OF FEATURED EXHIBITIONS.

SO I GET TO MANAGE ALL OF OUR TEMPORARY AND TRAVELING EXHIBITS AT THE MUSEUM CENTER.

KELLAR: THAT SOUNDS REALLY EXCITING.

AND WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE ONE THAT'S CURRENTLY HERE AND WILL CONTINUE TO BE HERE TILL JANUARY.

MICHAEL SCOTT, WHO IS AN ARTIST FAMILIAR TO A LOT OF CINCINNATIANS.

BUT TALK TO US ABOUT MICHAEL.

WAINWRIGHT: YEAH, THIS EXHIBIT IS REALLY AMAZING.

IT STARTED OUT IN A CONVERSATION WITH MICHAEL SCOTT ABOUT REALLY BRINGING HIS LIFE SIZE, THESE GIGANTIC PAINTINGS OF HIS LANDSCAPE ART TO CINCINNATI.

AND THEN AS SOON AS WE GOT STARTED WITH THAT, WE DEFINITELY GOT OFF TRACK BUT CIRCLED BACK AGAIN, TALKING ABOUT HOW IT CONNECTS SO MUCH WITH A LOT OF OUR OTHER PERMANENT EXHIBITIONS AT THE MUSEUM CENTER AS WELL.

KELLAR: LIKE, GIVE US AN EXAMPLE, FOR INSTANCE.

WAINWRIGHT: YEAH.

SO, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT MICHAEL'S ART, THERE'S SECTIONS THAT ARE PORTRAYING REDWOOD FORESTS, ESPECIALLY IN CALIFORNIA.

THEN WHEN YOU GO INTO OUR ICE AGE EXHIBIT, YOU SEE OUR GIGANTIC CROSS SECTION OF AN ACTUAL REDWOOD.

AND SO, YOU CAN TELL THAT THE DIFFERENT CLIMATE CHANGES THAT HAVE HAPPENED OVER TIME IN THOSE RINGS AND MICHAEL ALSO DEPICTS THOSE DIFFERENT CLIMATES IN HIS ARTWORK.

KELLAR: WOW.

SO YOU'RE LEARNING SCIENCE FROM THE ART.

WAINWRIGHT: EXACTLY.

EXACTLY.

IT'S CAPTURING NOT SOMETHING JUST PRETTY, BUT SOMETHING AMAZING AND INCREDIBLE THAT TELLS A GREAT STORY ABOUT OUR WORLD.

KELLAR: HIS PAINTINGS ARE HUGE.

TELL US WHAT "HUGE" MEANS.

WAINWRIGHT: "HUGE" MEANS THEY'RE KIND OF FULL WALL SIZE.

SO, WE'RE TALKING THINGS THAT ARE ABOUT SEVEN FOOT TALL BY EIGHT FOOT WIDE.

SO, REALLY KIND OF ABLE TO LIKE WRAP YOURSELF AROUND SOME OF THESE ENVIRONMENTS THAT HE'S CREATING.

KELLAR: SO HIS ART MUST BE SEEN MOSTLY, IN ADDITION TO MUSEUMS, IN OFFICES AND COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS BECAUSE IT'S SO BIG.

WAINWRIGHT: YEAH, YEAH.

KELLAR: PEOPLE WOULDN'T BUY IT FOR THEIR HOME.

WAINWRIGHT: YEAH, THEY DEFINITELY HAVE A PRESENCE.

SO, DEFINITELY IN MUSEUMS LOT.

THERE'S A COMMERCIAL ASPECT BECAUSE THEY'RE GORGEOUS AND REALLY KIND OF PULL PEOPLE INTO SPACES.

KELLAR: YEAH.

WAINWRIGHT: THERE'S QUITE A FEW PRIVATE COLLECTORS THOUGH, BECAUSE IF YOU THINK OF SOMETHING GORGEOUS ABOVE YOUR MANTEL AND YOUR FIREPLACE OR YOU HAVE HIGH CEILINGS THAT REALLY KIND OF TRANSPORT YOU IN AN AREA.

THEY'RE ALMOST THE SIZE OF, IF YOU THINK OF A LARGE WINDOW IN YOUR HOME.

KELLAR: IS THE EXHIBITION ALREADY OPEN?

HAS IT BEEN OPEN FOR A WHILE?

WAINWRIGHT: YEAH, IT JUST OPENED AT THE END OF MAY AND IT'LL BE HERE UNTIL JANUARY 8TH.

SO, PLENTY OF TIME THROUGH THE HOLIDAYS.

KELLAR: AND WAS HE HERE TO TALK ABOUT IT AT THE TIME?

WAINWRIGHT: YEAH, HE ACTUALLY WAS HERE THROUGH THE INSTALLATION PROCESS.

SO, WE HAD CREATED A LAYOUT, BUT REALLY WANTED TO FEEL THE SPACE AND MAKE SURE THAT THINGS WERE FITTING AND FEELING RIGHT AND THE LIGHT WAS HITTING THEM CORRECTLY.

SO, HE WAS HERE FOR QUITE A FEW WEEKS ALONG WITH THE INSTALLATION TEAM TO REALLY PLACE THE ARTWORK.

AND THEN OF COURSE THROUGH THE OPENING AND BEING ABLE TO MEET WITH GUESTS AND KIND OF HAVE THOSE INTERACTIONS AS WELL.

KELLAR: YOU WERE REFERENCING THE ICE AGE WITH THE TREES.

WHAT OTHER -- TELL WHAT ALL CAN -- IS THE MUSEUM CENTER HAVING ON DISPLAY AT THIS PRESENT TIME?

WE HAVE THE MICHAEL SCOTT AND WE HAVE AN ICE AGE THING.

WAINWRIGHT: YEAH.

SO, WE HAVE OUR PERMANENT EXHIBITIONS OPEN IN OUR NATURAL HISTORY AND SCIENCE MUSEUM, AS WELL AS OUR HISTORY MUSEUM AND THE CHILDREN'S MUSEUM ARE ALL OPEN.

WE CURRENTLY DO HAVE ANOTHER TEMPORARY EXHIBIT ALONGSIDE THE MICHAEL SCOTT EXHIBITION.

IT'S CALLED OUR SHARED STORY.

IT'S CELEBRATING THE 200 YEARS OF THE JEWISH COMMUNITY IN CINCINNATI.

SO, THAT'S OPEN UNTIL OCTOBER 2ND.

SO, THAT'S ANOTHER GREAT EXPERIENCE TO STEP INTO.

KELLAR: AND WHAT'S IN THE CHILDREN'S MUSEUM?

WAINWRIGHT: WELL, THERE'S THE CLASSICS.

EVERYBODY LOVES THE KIDS AT WORK AREA WHERE YOU CAN PRETEND TO BE A CONSTRUCTION WORKER AND MOVE ROCKS WITH A CRANE.

KELLAR: YEAH.

WAINWRIGHT: WE HAVE OUR KIDS SPACE AREA, WHICH IS REALLY AN OPEN SPACE, ALLOWING KIDS TO REALLY DIG THEIR HANDS INTO ART PROJECTS AND EXPLORE THAT KIND OF ENVIRONMENT.

WE ALSO HAVE THE WOODS IS ALWAYS A FAN FAVORITE, YOU KNOW, BRINGING THE OUTSIDE IN BY HAVING THAT IMMERSIVE NATURE EXPERIENCE FOR KIDS WHERE THEY CAN PLAY AND HAVE FUN, BUT ALSO REALLY PICK UP SOME UNIQUE NATURE EXPERIENCES IN A CITY.

KELLAR: YEAH, NOW THE MICHAEL SCOTT, IS THAT A TRAVELING THING WHERE THIS EXHIBIT WILL BE SHOWN IN OTHER CITIES?

WAINWRIGHT: WE'RE WE'RE LOOKING INTO IT.

IT WOULD BE AMAZING TO HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE A LOT OF THE ART AND THE STORIES THAT KIND OF GO WITH IT, ESPECIALLY AS EVERYBODY KIND OF LOOKS INTO HOW TO TALK ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE AND HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS, BUT HAVE THEM ORGANICALLY AND IN A GREAT ENVIRONMENT.

KELLAR: BUT THIS DISPLAY ORIGINATED HERE.

WAINWRIGHT: CORRECT.

KELLAR: IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S TRAVELING AROUND THE COUNTRY.

WAINWRIGHT: YEAH.

MICHAEL HAS DISPLAYED A FEW OF THE ARTWORKS IN OTHER MUSEUMS, BUT THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT HE'S COMPILED ALL OF THEM IN ONE EXHIBITION, AND SO WE DEVELOPED IT.

IT'S THE FIRST VERSION OF THIS IS HERE.

AND THEN HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE ABLE TO SHARE SOME OF THAT WITH OTHER MUSEUMS AROUND THE COUNTRY.

KELLAR: TALK TO US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE -- HOW YOU CHOOSE THE TRAVELING ONES.

YOU HAVE THE PERMANENT, AND THIS IS HOW MOST MUSEUMS WORK?

WAINWRIGHT: YEAH.

KELLAR: THEY HAVE THEIR PERMANENT, BUT THEN THEY HAVE TRAVELING THINGS WHICH ARE HOPEFULLY FINANCIALLY.

WAINWRIGHT: RIGHT.

YES, RIGHT.

KELLAR: BECAUSE THEY -- YOU, IN ESSENCE YOU RENT THEM.

WAINWRIGHT: YEAH.

KELLAR: AND TELL US HOW THAT PROCESS WORKS AND HOW YOU DECIDE WHAT TO HAVE.

WAINWRIGHT: YEAH.

IT'S AN INTERESTING OPPORTUNITY FOR MUSEUMS TO BE ABLE TO SHARE SOMETHING THAT MAYBE THEIR COMMUNITY WOULDN'T NECESSARILY HAVE ACCESS TO OR MIGHT NOT NECESSARILY GO WITH THE COLLECTION THAT THEY CURRENTLY HAVE.

SO, WE'VE HAD EXHIBITS BASED ON THE MAYA CULTURE, ON THE EGYPTIAN CULTURE.

THE TITANIC EXHIBIT WAS A GREAT SUCCESS FOR US.

SO, IT GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO BRING THOSE STORIES AND SHARE THEM WITH OUR AUDIENCE THAT MIGHT NOT NECESSARILY MAKE SENSE IN, SAY, THE CINCINNATI HISTORY MUSEUM, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT ABOUT THE STORY OF CINCINNATI.

BUT THEY ALSO ARE ALLOW US TO BRING PEOPLE IN TO SHARE THE REST OF OUR STORIES AND REALLY ALLOW THEM TO DIVE INTO THE HISTORY OF CINCINNATI ITSELF AND HAVE THOSE GREAT KIND OF IMPROMPTU EDUCATIONAL EXPERIENCES THAT YOU SEE KIDS HAVE THAT THEY DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'RE LEARNING SOMETHING, BUT THEY REALLY ARE.

SO, THAT'S REALLY KIND OF THE IDEA BEHIND IT AND WHAT YOU GET TO DO.

IT'S ALWAYS A GREAT WAY TO THEN ALSO MAKE MONEY TO SUPPORT SOME OF THOSE OTHER PROGRAMS AND EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE ABLE TO DO THROUGH TICKET SALES.

KELLAR: YEAH.

WAINWRIGHT: AND PART OF, LIKE, THAT KIND OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS WHAT'S UNIQUE AND WHAT TELLS A STORY THAT WE CAN -- THAT WE THINK WE CAN TELL.

WE ALWAYS LIKE TO ADD SOMETHING TO OUR LARGE TRAVELING EXHIBITS THAT TELLS A LOCAL CONNECTION.

SO, WITH THE MAYA EXHIBIT THAT WE HAD LAST YEAR, SOMETHING THAT WE WERE ABLE TO DO IS COLLABORATE WITH A LOT OF PROFESSORS AT UC AND THEIR WORK IN GUATEMALA AND THEIR WORK IN RESEARCHING THE MAYA CULTURE.

AND BEING ABLE TO SHARE THAT SCIENCE THAT'S ACTIVELY HAPPENING IN OUR COMMUNITY WITH ANOTHER AUDIENCE THAT MIGHT NOT ALREADY KNOW THAT.

AND ALLOW KIDS TO SEE THAT THESE ARE CAREERS THAT THEY CAN GO INTO.

THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT'S HAPPENING IN A FAR OFF LAND THAT THEY WILL NEVER INTERACT WITH, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S DONE RIGHT HERE, PROBABLY DOWN THE STREET FROM THEM THAT THEY CAN ENGAGE WITH.

KELLAR: YEAH, WELL, I THINK THE THING THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR PEOPLE TO REALIZE IS YOU CAN JUST KEEP GOING TO THE MUSEUM BECAUSE IT'LL BE SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

IT'S NOT LIKE A MUSEUM WHERE IT'S THERE, IT'S ALWAYS THERE, AND NOTHING BASICALLY NEVER CHANGES.

BUT THE MUSEUM CENTER, THERE'S USUALLY SOMETHING NEW, SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

I READ, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'LL KNOW THIS OR NOT, THAT THE EXHIBIT ABOUT THAT WAS CHINESE, I THINK, WAS ABOUT BODIES.

WAINWRIGHT: YEAH.

KELLAR: THAT THAT WAS THE MOST SUCCESSFUL.

WAINWRIGHT: YES.

KELLAR: IS THAT TRUE?

WAINWRIGHT: YES.

YEAH, IT WAS INCREDIBLY SUCCESSFUL.

WHAT'S INTERESTING, AND THIS WAS WAY BEFORE I STARTED AT THE INSTITUTION, BUT WE ACTUALLY HOSTED THE TITANIC EXHIBIT TWICE.

I THINK PEOPLE DIDN'T REALIZE THAT.

IT WAS SO POPULAR THE FIRST TIME, WE ACTUALLY, A COUPLE OF YEARS LATER HOSTED IT AGAIN AND IT WAS JUST AS SUCCESSFUL.

KELLAR: TELL US ABOUT THAT ONE, BECAUSE I DON'T REMEMBER THAT.

WAINWRIGHT: YEAH, THAT WAS REALLY INTERESTING BECAUSE IT HAD A LOT OF ARTIFACTS FROM THE TITANIC AND REALLY KIND OF TOLD THE STORY ABOUT THE PEOPLE, NOT JUST THE SHIP, BUT THE PEOPLE THAT KIND OF IT REALLY BROUGHT IT TO LIFE.

KELLAR: YEAH.

WAINWRIGHT: SO YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU HEAR LITTLE SNIPPETS, BUT BEING ABLE TO REALLY KIND OF STEP INTO THE EXPERIENCE.

AND YOU KNOW, THE AIR WAS COLDER IN THE GALLERY AND EVERYTHING AND REALLY CONNECT WITH THAT.

KELLAR: YEAH, I THINK THE MOVIE TITANIC REALLY BROUGHT THE SUBJECT TO PEOPLE'S MINDS BECAUSE IT WAS SUCH AN INCREDIBLY SUCCESSFUL MOVIE.

BUT THAT WHOLE STORY IS, WILL NEVER CEASE TO BE IMPORTANT AND INTERESTING.

BUT THE BODIES ONE, I THOUGHT THAT WAS VERY INTERESTING THAT THAT WAS THE MOST POPULAR, THAT THAT WOULD DRAW THE MOST PEOPLE.

WAINWRIGHT: YEAH.

KELLAR: AND I COULDN'T FIGURE THAT OUT.

I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT, DID YOU?

I DIDN'T QUITE ENTIRELY GET IT.

BUT IT WAS DEFINITELY A CURIOSITY OF, LIKE, WHAT IS THIS?

WHAT'S BEING DISPLAYED?

AND SO SOME PEOPLE, I THINK, SAW IT AS A INQUISITIVE MOMENT.

AND THEN I THINK SOME PEOPLE WERE VERY SCIENTIFIC ABOUT SEEING THESE SYSTEMS DISPLAYED AND MAYBE SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD NEVER REALLY SEE IN THAT FORM.

KELLAR: DIDN'T THEY USE ACTUAL PEOPLE?

WAINWRIGHT: YEAH, I BELIEVE SO.

KELLAR: YEAH.

IT SEEMS SO WEIRD.

I DECIDED I DIDN'T NEED TO SEE THAT.

BUT THEN I READ THAT IT WAS THE MOST POPULAR THING THAT THEY'D EVER DONE THERE.

SO, I LOVED THE CLEOPATRA ALSO.

WAINWRIGHT: YEAH.

I THINK MY FAVORITE EXHIBIT THAT WE'VE HAD, SO I'VE BEEN THERE FOR ALMOST TEN YEARS, MIGHT HAVE BEEN THE STAR WARS, THE POWER OF COSTUME, JUST BECAUSE WHEN YOU SEE SOMETHING ON A SCREEN, I DON'T -- I FEEL LIKE I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE SIZE OF SOME OF THE CHARACTERS AND THE ACTORS AND THEN SEEING WHAT COSTUMES THEY WERE ACTUALLY WEARING.

AND THEN, LIKE, THAT'S HOW TALL THAT PERSON IS OR THAT'S HOW HEAVY SOMETHING IS.

AND YOU DON'T REALIZE THAT THE CROWN OR THE HEADPIECE THAT AN ACTRESS HAS TO WEAR, HOW HEAVY THAT REALLY IS AND EVERYTHING.

I THOUGHT THAT WAS REALLY INTERESTING.

KELLAR: WE DID A SHOWCASE ABOUT REALLY THAT.

WAINWRIGHT: REALLY?

KELLAR: YES, AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE VERY FIRST SHOWS, MY PRODUCER, COLIN SCIANAMBLO, WHO WAS FANTASTIC.

BUT THAT WAS SORT OF A BAPTISM BY FIRE BECAUSE THE LIGHTING WAS SUCH BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE A CERTAIN WAY SO THAT THE COSTUMES DON'T DISINTEGRATE.

BUT IT WAS FOREVER THAT WE HAD TO TAPE AND IT WAS REALLY GRUELING.

AND BECAUSE WE WENT FROM EACH CHARACTER OR PERSON OR WHATEVER, AND WE HAD THE GUY THERE FROM THE SMITHSONIAN TO DESCRIBE EACH THING, BUT HE COULDN'T BRING TO MIND SOME OF THE STAR WARS NAMES.

AND MATT SCHWARTZ, WHO IS ONE OF OUR CREW PEOPLE WOULD TELL HIM BECAUSE HE WAS A STAR WARS FANATIC.

SO, HE KNEW ALL THE ANSWERS.

SO, WHEN THIS GUY COULDN'T THINK OF SOMETHING, MATT WOULD TELL HIM.

WAINWRIGHT: YEAH.

KELLAR: AND THAT WAS VERY -- A LOT OF FUN.

I'M NOT A STAR WARS PERSON, BUT THAT WAS A REALLY DIFFICULT THING TO TAPE.

BUT THEY HAVE -- THAT HAS TO BE TEMPERATURE CONTROLLED, LIGHT CONTROLLED TO -- AND THAT WOULDN'T BE NECESSARY WITH AN ART EXHIBIT.

I DON'T THINK.

WAINWRIGHT: WE DO DO TEMPERATURE AND HUMIDITY CONTROL IN THOSE GALLERIES.

YEAH, KIND OF FOR EVERY TRAVELING EXHIBIT WE DO, EVEN ARTWORK, YOU DON'T WANT IT TO GET WARM AND THEN COOL AND CONTRACT.

SO, REALLY KIND OF MANAGING THAT OVERALL JUST CREATES LESS PROBLEMS.

KELLAR: YEAH.

DO YOU HAVE A TECH PERSON?

I MEAN, TECHNOLOGY AS IN THAT THING THAT AFFECTS US, IS THERE A VERY SPECIFIC PERSON WHO DOES THAT.

WAINWRIGHT: YEAH.

SO, WE HAVE AN ENGINEERING TEAM.

ONE OF THE GREAT THINGS ABOUT THE RESTORATION OF UNION TERMINAL, ONE OF THE MANY GREAT THINGS IS WE WERE ABLE TO OVERHAUL OUR HVAC SYSTEMS, OUR HEATING AND COOLING SYSTEMS IN THE BUILDING.

SO, IT REALLY WAS ABLE TO KIND OF TIGHTEN UP THOSE SPACES.

AND SO, EVEN WITH THE DOORS OPEN, THOSE GALLERIES ARE PRESSURIZED, SO YOU'RE NOT SEEING AN ESCAPE OF HUMIDITY OR TEMPERATURE REALLY.

SO, THEY DO A GREAT JOB OF MONITORING THAT ALONG WITH OUR REGISTRAR, WHO REALLY MONITORS SPECIFIC ART PIECES OR SPECIFIC COLLECTION PIECES TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NOTHING CHANGING WITH ANY OF OUR ARTIFACTS OR SPECIMENS.

KELLAR: IS THIS MICHAEL SCOTT EXHIBITION ONE OF THE BIGGEST, DO YOU THINK?

WAINWRIGHT: IT'S NOT ONE OF THE BIGGEST.

WE HAVE ABOUT 17,000 SQUARE FEET OF TWO GALLERIES THAT WE NORMALLY USE TOGETHER.

THE MICHAEL SCOTT EXHIBIT IS A LITTLE OVER, I THINK A LITTLE OVER 6,000 SQUARE FEET.

SO, NOT THE BIGGEST AS FAR AS SQUARE FEET, BUT IT IS FULL OF ARTWORK.

KELLAR: YEAH.

SO, YOU HAVE OTHER PIECES, NOT MICHAEL SCOTT'S, BUT OTHER PIECES THAT ARE WOULD BE CONSIDERED IN THE SAME MILIEU AS -- WAINWRIGHT: YEAH.

KELLAR: WHAT -- WHO ARE THOSE ARTISTS?

WAINWRIGHT: SO, WE HAVE SOME PIECES FROM OUR FINE ART COLLECTION OF THE MUSEUM CENTER ITSELF.

SO, THESE ARE HISTORIC LANDSCAPE ARTISTS.

SO, FROM THE 19TH CENTURY, VERY EARLY 20TH CENTURY.

SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ROBERT DUNCANSON AND WILLIAM SONNTAG AND HENRY LOVETT.

AND THOSE INDIVIDUALS HAVE CREATED REALLY AMAZING KIND OF IMAGES OF THIS AREA.

SO, THE EXHIBITION REALLY STARTS TALKING ABOUT THE HISTORY OF LANDSCAPE ART AND KIND OF FOLLOWING THAT STORY.

IT REALLY CAPTURES WHAT DID CINCINNATI LOOK LIKE YEARS BEFORE IT WAS REALLY DEVELOPED, AND IT KIND OF HELPS SET THAT STAGE.

KELLAR: YEAH, THE DUNCANSON NAME STOOD OUT WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THE SHEET.

HE DID THE MURALS AT THE TAFT MUSEUM.

WAINWRIGHT: YEP.

KELLAR: AND HE WAS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT AFRICAN AMERICAN ARTISTS.

AND THOSE WERE ALL COVERED UP, I THINK, AT ONE POINT.

WAINWRIGHT: I THINK SO.

KELLAR: AND THEY REALLY DID, YOU KNOW, THEY UNCOVERED THEM AND RESTORE THEM.

AND THAT WAS A PHENOMENAL STORY IN ITSELF AS ART.

BUT I ASKED ELIZABETH ABOUT HOW AN ART EXHIBIT WORKS IN WITH THE SCIENCE, WHICH THE MUSEUM CENTER IS DEDICATED TO SCIENCE.

AND I THINK THAT'S VERY INTERESTING THAT YOU TAKE THE ART AND YOU TELL A STORY WITH THE ART WITH THE SCIENCE, LIKE THE ICE AGE AND THE RINGS ON THE TREE.

THAT'S WHAT FASCINATES, I THINK, CHILDREN AND GETS THEM INTERESTED IN LEARNING ABOUT NATURE AND THE WORLD IS SOMETHING LIKE THAT WHERE THEY SEE THAT THINGS ARE VERY MUCH CONNECTED.

WAINWRIGHT: YEAH, VERY MUCH SO.

I THINK IT TOUCHES WITH CHILDREN AND THEN IT AGES WITH YOU.

SO, IT CROSSES DIFFERENT AUDIENCES BEING ABLE TO SEE HOW AN ARTIST IS ABLE TO CAPTURE SOMETHING OR SHARE SOMETHING OR HIGHLIGHT AN ASPECT.

YOU KNOW, KIND OF HAVING SCIENCE IS WHAT CREATES NATURE AND THE NATURE OFTEN INSPIRES ART.

KELLAR: YEAH.

WAINWRIGHT: SO, BRINGING THOSE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS TOGETHER, WE DO THAT A LOT IN OUR KIDS SPACE, OUR ART SPACE THAT WE HAVE FOR KIDS IN THE CHILDREN'S MUSEUM.

YOU SEE IT COME UP WHEN WE TALK ABOUT JOHN RUTHVEN, WHEN WE HAD THE AUDUBON AND RUTHVEN EXHIBIT A FEW YEARS AGO, EVEN WHEN WE HAD CHARLIE HARPER'S EXHIBITION A FEW YEARS AGO CELEBRATING HIM, THAT EXHIBIT WAS REALLY TALKING ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE AND HOW HE SEES HUMAN AND NATURE INTERACTING AND THAT ACTIVISM THAT'S BEHIND HIS VERY BEAUTIFUL IMAGERY.

KELLAR: YEAH.

WAINWRIGHT: BUT IT DOES TELL A STORY AND BEING ABLE TO TAKE THAT NEXT STEP OF PRETTY AND THEN IMMERSIVE AND INTRIGUING AND KIND OF CREATES A SENSE OF WONDER.

KELLAR: YEAH, EXACTLY.

YOU KNOW, I THINK PEOPLE SHOULD GO, EVEN IF THERE WAS NOTHING IN THERE, TO SEE IT WAS UNION TERMINAL, IT WAS A TRAIN STATION.

AND I'M OLD ENOUGH TO REMEMBER BEING THERE WHEN IT WAS A TRAIN STATION, AND THERE WEREN'T EXHIBITS.

IT WAS JUST WHAT IT WAS CALLED, A TERMINAL.

AND THE PRESIDENT WAS -- HARRY TRUMAN WAS PRESIDENT AND HE WAS COMING IN TO CINCINNATI AND THROUGH UNION TERMINAL, AS MOST PEOPLE DID.

EARLY ONE MORNING, MY FATHER SAID, "WELL, THE PRESIDENT'S COMING, SO WE SHOULD GO SEE THE PRESIDENT."

SO, WE WENT DOWN AND THERE WERE NO OTHER PEOPLE THERE REALLY.

AND HERE HE COMES OFF THE TRAIN.

HE HAD TWO SECRET SERVICE, ONE ON EITHER SIDE.

HE WAS AS CLOSE TO US AS YOU ARE.

AND HE HAD HIS LITTLE HAT AND HIS CIGAR.

AND IT WAS JUST KIND OF, I MEAN, IT WAS EXCITING TO SEE THE PRESIDENT.

BUT IMAGINE TODAY THAT YOU COULDN'T -- YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GET ANYWHERE NEAR A PRESIDENT UNDER THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES.

YOU WOULD HAVE HAD GONE THROUGH SECURITY CHECKS.

WAINWRIGHT: YEAH.

KELLAR: I MEAN, I COULDN'T -- WHEN I THINK OF WHAT TODAY IS AND WHAT THAT WAS, IT'S JUST AN AMAZING THING.

BUT KIDS WOULD BE INTERESTED, I THINK.

LIKE, DURING THE WAR YEARS, THE SERVICE MEN FILLED UP ALL THE TRAINS.

AND I REMEMBER WE WENT SOMEWHERE, I DON'T KNOW WHERE, AND THE SERVICE -- YOU COULD SIT ON YOUR LUGGAGE OR BECAUSE THE SEATS ARE ALL TAKEN UP.

AND SOME OF THE SERVICE MEN WOULD HAVE US SIT ON THEIR LAPS WHILE WE WERE GOING WHEREVER IT WAS.

BUT THE UNION TERMINAL JUST AS A BUILDING IS SO HISTORIC.

WAINWRIGHT: YEAH.

KELLAR: AND I THINK KIDS SHOULD SEE THAT THAT'S PART OF.

AND IN THE DAYS BEFORE AIR CONDITIONING, THE FOUNTAINS THAT GO DOWN IN THE FRONT THAT WE WOULD DRIVE DOWN THERE AND IT WAS COOL.

WAINWRIGHT: YEAH.

KELLAR: AND YOU HAD THE WATER AND THEY HAD LIGHTS ON THEM AND SO FORTH.

AND THE ROOKWOOD ICE CREAM PARLOR, I MEAN, THAT'S WORTH A VISIT IN AND OF ITSELF.

IT'S JUST SEEING THAT LITTLE ICE CREAM PARLOR.

SO, I THINK THE UNION TERMINAL, THE MUSEUM CENTER, AS WE CALL IT NOW, IS JUST AN INCREDIBLE PLACE TO TAKE YOUR FAMILY OR TO LEARN ABOUT, NOT JUST THE CITY, BUT ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT THINGS.

WAINWRIGHT: YEAH.

KELLAR: IT'S SORT OF THE ALL THINGS, RATHER THAN JUST ONE POSSIBLE AUDIENCE.

WAINWRIGHT: WELL, FOR YEARS THAT WAS THE GATEWAY TO CINCINNATI.

KELLAR: ABSOLUTELY.

WAINWRIGHT: THAT'S THE FIRST THING A LOT OF PEOPLE SAW WHEN THEY WERE REALLY ARRIVING IN CINCINNATI.

SO, THE BUILDING IS GORGEOUS.

I HAVE TO SAY, DURING THE RESTORATION PROJECT, WHEN OUR OFFICES WERE OUT OF THE BUILDING, I THINK THAT'S WHAT MOST PEOPLE MISSED THE MOST.

IT'S WHAT I MISSED THE MOST, KIND OF THAT EARLY MORNING BEFORE THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE BUILDING.

IT'S VERY QUIET IN THE ROTUNDA AND THE SUN STARTS TO COME THROUGH THE FRONT WINDOWS AND IT GLOWS ORANGE IN THE ROTUNDA.

AND IT'S GORGEOUS.

IT IS GORGEOUS.

AND JUST, LIKE, EVERY I FEEL LIKE I LEARN SOMETHING NEW ABOUT THAT BUILDING SO, SO OFTEN, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THE MOSAICS, YOU ALWAYS FIND SOMETHING NEW THAT YOU DIDN'T NOTICE BEFORE AND EVERYTHING.

KELLAR: THE ART DECO PIECES OR ITEMS OR THAT STILL REMAIN, TO ME, THE OFFICES THAT ARE INTACT, THE ART DECO OFFICES.

I JUST LOVE BEING THERE AND SEEING THEM.

AND THE WORDING, THE LABELS ARE ALL THE ORIGINAL ART DECO.

YOU KNOW, PEOPLE SEE PICTURES OF GRAND CENTRAL STATION ALL THE TIME AND IS DEPICTED IN MOVIES, BUT UNION TERMINAL IS SO MUCH PRETTIER AND SO MUCH MORE HISTORIC, I THINK, AT LEAST FOR CINCINNATIANS.

BUT IT'S JUST AN INCREDIBLE GEM IN OUR CITY.

AND YOU GUYS DO A GREAT JOB KEEPING IT GOING.

WAINWRIGHT: THANK YOU.

KELLAR: HAVING ALL KINDS OF SPECIAL VISITS.

AND IS THERE -- WHAT IS YOUR WEBSITE WHERE PEOPLE CAN LOOK UP AND SEE WHAT'S GOING ON?

WAINWRIGHT: AND YEAH, IT'S CINCYMUSEUM.ORG.

WE LIST ALL OF OUR EXHIBITS THAT ARE HAPPENING, SOME THINGS THAT ARE UPCOMING, A LOT OF OUR DAILY PROGRAMS, WE'RE ALWAYS DOING SOMETHING INTERESTING THAT'S HAPPENING IN ONE OF THE MUSEUMS.

WE JUST OPENED A BRAND NEW GALLERY IN THE HISTORY MUSEUM A FEW WEEKS AGO.

IT'S CALLED MADE IN CINCINNATI.

IT'S ALL ABOUT MANUFACTURING AND KIND OF TECHNOLOGY AND ENTREPRENEURSHIP IN THE CITY AS WELL.

SO, AGAIN, THERE'S ALWAYS SOMETHING NEW TO SEE.

THERE'S A REASON TO COME BACK.

KELLAR: I KNOW, AND YOU PROBABLY CAN'T SEE EVERYTHING IN ONE VISIT.

WAINWRIGHT: NOT IF YOU'RE TRYING TO DO ALL THE EXHIBITS AND THE OMNI MAX THEATER.

THERE'S A LOT.

KELLAR: YEAH.

TELL US ABOUT THE OMNI MAX.

WAINWRIGHT: YEAH.

SO, OUR OMNI MAX THEATER, IT'S A DOMED THEATER.

SO I LIKE TO DESCRIBE IT AS IT'S KIND OF COVERING ALL YOUR PERIPHERAL VISION.

SO, IT REALLY IMMERSES YOU.

THE FILMS THAT ARE -- THEY'RE DESIGNED TO BE ON THIS TYPE OF VIEWING.

AND SO, THEY'RE INCREDIBLE.

RIGHT NOW, TO KIND OF PAIR WITH THE MICHAEL SCOTT EXHIBITION WE ARE FEATURING INTO AMERICA'S WILD, WHICH REALLY CELEBRATES A LOT OF OUR NATIONAL PARKS.

NOW, IMAGINE THOSE TYPE OF LANDSCAPES ON SUCH A BIG SCREEN IS REALLY INCREDIBLE TO SEE.

SO, A LOT OF THE NATURE FILMS AND SPACE AND WATER IS REALLY IMPRESSIVE TO SEE IN THE OMNI MAX.

KELLAR: IS THERE A SPECIFIC GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO PUT THOSE EXHIBITIONS TOGETHER?

WAINWRIGHT: YEAH, SO WE KIND OF HAVE A TEAM AT THE MUSEUM CENTER, INCLUDES A LOT OF OUR LEADERS AND A LOT OF SENIOR EMPLOYEES THAT HAVE BEEN WITH US FOR A LONG TIME TO REALLY KIND OF EVALUATE WHAT TYPE OF EXHIBITS ARE AVAILABLE IF WE'RE LOOKING TO BRING IN SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY PRODUCED.

KELLAR: YEAH.

WAINWRIGHT: WE ALSO WORK WITH A LOT OF OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS.

LOVE TO CELEBRATE A GOOD ANNIVERSARY OR IF THERE'S SOME SORT OF CONNECTION THAT'S COMING UP TO REALLY KIND OF PULL THOSE RESOURCES TOGETHER.

BECAUSE WE DO LIKE TO TELL A UNIQUE CINCINNATI STORY IN A LOT OF OUR EXHIBITS, OUR TEMPORARY EXHIBITS AS WELL.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE MIGHT NOT HAVE SPACE TO DO THAT IN OUR PERMANENT EXHIBITS, BUT BEING ABLE TO DO THAT EVERY NOW AND AGAIN IN THESE TEMPORARY FORMS.

BUT WORKING WITH OUR EXHIBIT DESIGNERS AND WE HAVE CONTENT DEVELOPERS ON STAFF TO REALLY BE ABLE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S THE STORY WE WANT TO TELL, WHAT CAN WE UNIQUELY DO?

WHAT IS THEIR TIE IN?

YOU KNOW, WE ALWAYS LIKE TO SEE IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S HAPPENING IN THE CITY THAT WE CAN HELP PULL TOGETHER.

SO, WE CONNECT A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS.

SO, LOOKING AT WHAT'S POPULAR WITH FIELD TRIPS OR IF THERE'S ANY TYPE OF CURRICULUM THAT MAYBE WE HAVEN'T TOUCHED ON IN A WHILE, BUT OUR TEACHERS ARE REALLY EAGER TO KIND OF ENGAGE THEIR STUDENTS IN.

SO, THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT WE KIND OF THINK OF WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT EXHIBITS THAT, YOU KNOW, TO BRING IN OR JUST THE FEATURE OURSELVES.

KELLAR: YEAH, WELL, I CAN'T IMAGINE A PLACE THAT HAS MORE TO OFFER THAN THE MUSEUM CENTER.

IT'S JUST A GEM IN OUR CITY.

AND I THINK PROBABLY FOR A LOT OF KIDS, SCHOOL KIDS, IT'S THE ONLY OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE TO SEE THAT, ALL THOSE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS AND SCIENTIFIC AREAS.

AND NOW THIS MICHAEL SCOTT EXHIBIT PAIRS SCIENCE AND ART.

WAINWRIGHT: YEAH.

KELLAR: WHICH IS A GREAT, GREAT THING.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING.

WAINWRIGHT: YEAH, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

KELLAR: THIS HAS BEEN REALLY GREAT TO HAVE YOU.

AND WE HOPE EVERYTHING'S GOING AS WELL AS POSSIBLE.

WAINWRIGHT: YES.

KELLAR: OUR NEIGHBORS.

WAINWRIGHT: JUST RIGHT DOWN THE STREET.

KELLAR: JUST RIGHT DOWN THE STREET.

WE COULD WALK IF WE WERE REALLY AMBITIOUS.

BUT THANKS VERY MUCH FOR COMING.

WAINWRIGHT: THANK YOU.

KELLAR: WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

WAINWRIGHT: THANK YOU.

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